Vote Tory for a..umm...err..we sort of might have a sort of referendum on Europe.

[Deleted member 22389]

As far as im concerned...if it involves UKIP in any way shape or form...it does.

Well that's a very strange opinion to have on a party that wants a referendum on the EU.

 

[User removed 4]

Only, its not 'pseudo grief' (good to see that still haunts you)..... many members of my family, were lost, and its part of my family history......you consider people who do the same job as you......30 years later...is a bit different in my opinion

Then why post " Maybe you didnt lose many members of your family history thanks to fascism. " ? Looks like a blatant attempt to elicit sympathy to me .

 

[Westdene Seagull]

As far as im concerned...if it involves UKIP in any way shape or form...it does.

Then it shows you know nothing about UKIP.

 

[CheeseRolls]

I would say both, but then they are largely having to deal with both now. The rise of "agency" work is staggering and allows big business to conveniently side step their employement obligations. I know elements of the apply but not to the same extent as permanent workers.

Fact is people are already being fired on a whim..............take the thousands of workers from Ford (in the UK, Germany and Belgium) sacked recently because Ford wanted to relocate manufacturing to Turkey (a country ourside the EU).

What protection did they get from being in the EU?

And people think manufacturers would leave the UK in droves if we exited from the EU..............laughable.

In your mind does EU resignation equate to resigning from the second most powerful economic block in the world, or is this something that would be somehow negotiated separately ? This kind of sounds where Cameron would like to be. If you don't see any value in this I think you must be an ideologist.

 

[Ernest]

I just don't see why we have to wait until 2018, let's have it now and sort things one way or the other

 

[daveinprague]

Then why post " Maybe you didnt lose many members of your family history thanks to fascism. " ? Looks like a blatant attempt to elicit sympathy to me .

It was a response to a direct question.... Are you that thick?

 

[Buzzer]

So, we are different Buzzer....Is that wrong?

Are you implying that I'm not against racism and/or fascism or are you genuinely asking whether I think it's okay for people to be different?

All I was doing was trying to make you see that it was a little bit ironic for you to question other people's obsessions when yours seems so bizarre to quite a few of us.

 

[daveinprague]

The latter of course...its ok for people to be different...its also ok to debate with them.

 

[daveinprague]

Then it shows you know nothing about UKIP.

I know its a party with more than its fair share of racists, bigots, homophobes, mysoginists, and idiots.....tell me more..

 

[User removed 4]

It was a response to a direct question.... Are you that thick?

Now you could have posted , " my grandparents died in the war, killed by the germans" , thats why i am so fervently anti nazi, but instead you chose to post the morose , hangdog " maybe you didnt lose many members of your family history thanks to fascism. " , see the difference ? One is a statement of fact, and one sounds like a 13 year old explaining why he hadnt done his homework .

 

[Nibble]

Then it shows you know nothing about UKIP.

I think this is a big problem. Nobody really knows what they are, including the members themselves. They throw out a chairman for supportiig gay marriage yet they have an LGBT wing, they want immigrants out yet immigrants represent them, the founder left in disgust because he believed it was a fundamentally racist, bigoted, unpleasant party. I would say it's a deeply flawed party and I believe they are racist but my point is anyone supporting them when they are essentially a jumbled up, confused mess doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

 

[HovaGirl]

I hate to say it we need to be in but we need to be in control of our own laws and rules. I thought when I voted for the common market it's was for trade not a federal Europe .

This, as they say. I voted to be best buddies with Europe in 1975, but I did not vote for a federal European superstate.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I know its a party with more than its fair share of racists, bigots, homophobes, mysoginists, and idiots.....tell me more..

Every single political party has it's fair share of those type of people - you just seem to have a bee in your bonnet about UKIP and have failed to explain why you hate them so much over any other mainstream legal political party.

 

[Buzzer]

...its ok for people to be different...

As long as they don't do silly things like supporting UKIP.

 

[Nibble]

Every single political party has it's fair share of those type of people - you just seem to have a bee in your bonnet about UKIP and have failed to explain why you hate them so much over any other mainstream legal political party.

Yes all parties have their bigots, racists, homophobes. Not all parties however, are stupid enough to make these actual policies like Ukip has.

 

[daveinprague]

Every single political party has it's fair share of those type of people - you just seem to have a bee in your bonnet about UKIP and have failed to explain why you hate them so much over any other mainstream legal political party.

You have failed to explain anything good about them.
They are openly racist, they are openly bigoted, they are openly homophobic, they are openly mysoginistic....plus they are inept...what more do you need?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Yes all parties have their bigots, racists, homophobes not all parties however, are stupid enough to make these actual policies like Ukip has.

And I thought the bloke in Prague was stupid !

 

[daveinprague]

As long as they don't do silly things like supporting UKIP.

Like I said, and its ok to debate about it..

 

[Nibble]

And I thought the bloke in Prague was stupid !

Yeah, but you also think UKIP are a viable political party so what you "think" has proven to be fairly unreliable hasn't it.

 

[Silk]

I think this is a big problem. Nobody really knows what they are, including the members themselves. They throw out a chairman for supportiig gay marriage yet they have an LGBT wing, they want immigrants out yet immigrants represent them, the founder left in disgust because he believed it was a fundamentally racist, bigoted, unpleasant party. I would say it's a deeply flawed party and I believe they are racist but my point is anyone supporting them when they are essentially a jumbled up, confused mess doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

This. They are basically a hodge-podge of right wingers who, for a variety of reasons, are disaffected with the Conservative party, which is now lurching to the right on some issues in order to nullify them.