[Albion] Vile racist language in the South Stand

[BadFish]

Does anyone really think that?

One of the problems in this society is that lies are accepted as fact and there's little or no accountability anymore. There's also some great get out of jail free cards in circulation

The suggestion of autism in the OP seems to excuse the failure of those with the child to act as the guardians they were supposed to be according to many on here. Forget the thousands around us, he's got autism so we don't care.

Selfish behaviour, no care about anyone else as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, I don't have an autistic child so I'm sure someone will trot along soon saying I'm the selfish one for not accepting that this massively wide-ranging autism grouping is all excusing.

I think the most important thing here is the distinctions between autism excusing behaviour and it explaining behaviour. My kids have always been expected to 'own' there behaviour but I also recognised that somethings can be explained by autism. This helps to ensure that negative behaviours don't reoccur.

As i said, we don't know the details of what happened at the game so can't comment but I will say that I have always found more parenting was more effective than less.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Can't understand why you think my question shows ignorance. I admit I know nothing about autism, that's why I asked the question and just because your wife works with autistic adults, it doesn't make me ignorant does it.

Knob.

If you don't know anything about it, but feel emboldened to pontificate, expect to be corrected by those who do.

Do you not realize that by saying you know nothing about something, but this does not represent ignorance, is a little paradoxical?

I can think of one or two people far further along the queue for the 'knob' accolade than @Neville's Breakfast, too. One in particular immediately springs to mind.

 

[jcdenton08]

One of the posts prompted me to remember a situation in Gran Canaria a few years back where I intervened with a very drunk step dad bullying his young daughter who was shaking with tears. This quickly escalated (verbally) with both my daughters ending up in tears. Those around me then joined in resulting in the guy being escorted away.
This was the very situation I wanted to avoid yesterday. My better half did say it was unlike me not to have said something! Perhaps the unconscious bias in me was a past lesson!

I've vented, shared our experience and raised the issues with the club. I know it a one off and I've not heard anything like it in 35 years of following the Albion.

I've sent a message asking for the thread to be locked as it's got out of hand in a few places.

Enjoy your Sundays..

Have you emailed Paul Barber?

 

[Zeberdi]

Racism = ban, regardless of who does it.

The rape comment is equally as bad as the black comment if not worse . Makes you wonder what environment this child has grown up in . Very sad really .

Agreed on all accounts unless we are talking about a child or adult who can not a/ control what comes out of his mouth and b/ is not an expression of an internalised hatred/learned hatred or belief (which is a basic requirement for being a ’racist’).. someone suffering from Cropolalia, (which is what people seem to be discussing here) and saying racist things as a symptom of that are NOT racist people and them saying racist things is not ‘racism‘ - I‘ve worked in various MH environments over the years and would also say that it is an unusual and very specific symptom of mental illness.

It’s important to stress that - because an understanding of the differences are crucial to using appropriate language when describing these specific symptoms of people with autism/Tourettes and how as members of the public we react to them compared to how we react to children, (or adults) who have autonomy over what comes out of their mouth. Some of this discourse on this thread is a case in point, and frankly disgraceful.

 

[Horses Arse]

If you don't know anything about it, but feel emboldened to pontificate, expect to be corrected by those who do.

Do you not realize that by saying you know nothing about something, but this does not represent ignorance, is a little paradoxical?

I can think of one or two people far further along the queue for the 'knob' accolade than @Neville's Breakfast, too. One in particular immediately springs to mind.

Although, the "my wife works with autistic adults" as an explanation was very funny. If my knowledge was based on folk I was related to I'd be incredibly talented. Shame really.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No it's OK, just have to suggest there may be autism involved. Makes everything OK it seems.

Way of the world now.

I honestly feel sorry for parents with kids with autism who struggle as it's been dumbed down so much by parents claiming their kids have it to get their own way or excuse certain behaviours.

This racist abuse isn't the kids faults, it's the parents who then shout autism as a get out for shit parenting.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Can't understand why you think my question shows ignorance. I admit I know nothing about autism, that's why I asked the question and just because your wife works with autistic adults, it doesn't make me ignorant does it.

Knob.

You made an ignorant assumption. A minimal amount of googling would have enabled you to ask a more intelligent question. You insulting me won’t change those things.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Does anyone really think that?

One of the problems in this society is that lies are accepted as fact and there's little or no accountability anymore. There's also some great get out of jail free cards in circulation

The suggestion of autism in the OP seems to excuse the failure of those with the child to act as the guardians they were supposed to be according to many on here. Forget the thousands around us, he's got autism so we don't care.

Selfish behaviour, no care about anyone else as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, I don't have an autistic child so I'm sure someone will trot along soon saying I'm the selfish one for not accepting that this massively wide-ranging autism grouping is all excusing.

I can’t comment on the specifics of the incident described by the OP as I wasn’t there, but as a parent of autistic children I can hopefully explain a few things.

Autism shouldn’t be used as an excuse to allow anti social behaviour, and a parent/carer shouldn’t hide behind that as a reason to not step in or discipline a child. Autistic children still need to know there are boundaries etc. However it can go some way to explaining why the behaviour is happening.

I certainly wouldn’t allow either of my boys to behave in the way described by the OP, they’d have been told to stop and that if they didn’t we’d be leaving whatever event we were at.

As I said previously my boys are different one is more effected on the emotional side, meltdowns will happen more frequently when he is stressed and certain things like noisier places and crowds can trigger those stresses so we do tend to avoid those situations when possible. That said he absolutely loves going to watch Brighton play, we just take his ear defenders which helps block out the noise. I’d have never thought he’d cope in a crowd of 30k when a classroom of 30 children could easily overwhelm him.

The other one is a lot more affected by social communication than anything else. Had it still been diagnosed he’d have been told he was Asperger’s but it’s now high functioning autism. He’s very observant but can easily obsess over certain things that happen, he also doesn’t necessarily understand most normal social conventions so will do things like just start talking even if you are talking to someone else, it’s because he’s got something to say and his brain simply has to get it out, other people think he’s being rude and butting in but he has no real control over it. I do tell him that person is talking and he needs to wait his turn etc.

Hopefully that goes a little way to explaining a few things.

Edit - I will add obviously I know a lot of other parents with children who are ASD too and none of them allow autism to be used as an excuse either. However we do find there is a lack of real understanding of autism across the wider community including in some educational establishments too (thankfully both by boys are very well supported by their schools). I’ve had to remove my sons from the local cricket club colts team because of this lack of understanding and the behaviour of some of the coaches towards my younger son, which is a shame as my older boy is an incredibly talented cricketer, I do feel their is a real lack of opportunity for neurodiverse children to get involved in grass roots sports and other social activities due to this lack of understanding.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Although, the "my wife works with autistic adults" as an explanation was very funny. If my knowledge was based on folk I was related to I'd be incredibly talented. Shame really.

You have misunderstood in your haste to be controversial. I was replying to someone who doubted autism existed in adults. Who better for me to gain my understanding from than the person with whom I have shared the last 30 years ? Oh, and my direct experience of working with autistic children and young adults of course. Do you also find that funny ?

 

[BadFish]

Way of the world now.

I honestly feel sorry for parents with kids with autism who struggle as it's been dumbed down so much by parents claiming their kids have it to get their own way or excuse certain behaviours.

This racist abuse isn't the kids faults, it's the parents who then shout autism as a get out for shit parenting.

In your experience, is it a common occurrence for parents to make up autism diagnoses to excuse their children's behaviour?

Not something I have ever come across and I don't feel like this is what dumbs down people's understanding of autism.

 

[Horses Arse]

You have misunderstood in your haste to be controversial. I was replying to someone who doubted autism existed in adults. Who better for me to gain my understanding from than the person with whom I have shared the last 30 years ? Oh, and my direct experience of working with autistic children and young adults of course. Do you also find that funny ?

Nothing controversial, just a recognition of how funny it is that someone thinks that what their wife does is enough of an explanation. Regardless of the post in question.

There seem to be a lot of highly triggered folk here due to what sounds like appalling behaviour that was not addressed by the child's guardians.

And no, I'm not interested in what your wife thinks about that. Sorry if that's controversial

 

[BadFish]

Nothing controversial, just a recognition of how funny it is that someone thinks that what their wife does is enough of an explanation. Regardless of the post in question.

There seem to be a lot of highly triggered folk here due to what sounds like appalling behaviour that was not addressed by the child's guardians.

And no, I'm not interested in what your wife thinks about that. Sorry if that's controversial

The post was asking about if autistic adults were a thing. The reply stated that NBs wife worked with autistic adults, therefore they exist. It is totally enough of an explanation.

I really don't get what is so difficult/funny about this.

 

[Horses Arse]

In your experience, is it a common occurrence for parents to make up autism diagnoses to excuse their children's behaviour?

Not something I have ever come across and I don't feel like this is what dumbs down people's understanding of autism.

Dumbing down of autism is an outcome of using autism to excuse anything and everything, which is what a lot of posts on this thread seem to be suggesting.

 

[Horses Arse]

The post was asking about if autistic adults were a thing. The reply stated that NBs wife worked with autistic adults, therefore they exist. It is totally enough of an explanation.

I really don't get what is so difficult/funny about this.

That's an ignorant post. My wife works on the comedy circuit.

 

[BadFish]

That's an ignorant post. My wife works on the comedy circuit.

Hasn't rubbed off on you then

 

[BadFish]

Dumbing down of autism is an outcome of using autism to excuse anything and everything, which is what a lot of posts on this thread seem to be suggesting.

Okay let's pretend we can't make a distinction between excusing something and explaining it . . .

What do you mean by dumbing down of autism?

How does using it as an excuse make that happen?

 

[Zeberdi]

Hopefully that goes a little way to explaining a few things.

certainly wouldn’t allow either of my boys to behave in the way described by the OP, they’d have been told to stop and that if they didn’t we’d be leaving whatever event we were at.

Sorry to hear of your children’s autistic illnesses, it must incredibly tough to manage at times - but while enlightening and informative your comments don’t address the issue of autistic children or adults saying racially abusive things (or using sexually inappropriate language) as a genuine symptom of their autism which can not be controlled by discipline/coercion or imposing behavioural boundaries.

People seem to be repeatedly missing this point. The facts are not available as to the nature of the child’s autistic symptoms in the OP’s Amex experience so one can not make presumptions about it.

I do agree though, that as carers/parents - a level of responsibility is required to determine whether particular environments are suitable for their particular offspring - and that should be the case regardless of whether they have mental health illnesses or not.

Perhaps this will be helpful

What is Coprolalia, cursing and inappropriate language gestures

This article explains coprolalia, one of the most baffling and socially unacceptable vocal tics symptoms of Tourette Syndrome (TS).

tourette.org

 

[Horses Arse]

Hasn't rubbed off on you then

That is astonishing! This is certainly the thread for it!!

 

[sydney]

Cracking thread this, it’s has pretty much everything.

we haven't had a unicorn yet and there has been no mention of small goods or pork products.

 

[jackalbion]

Because we've gone further down the path that the UK is going down and slowly but surely, many of us are taking a stand. England has also clearly deteriorated in the few years since I lived there but there's still hope for you!

I imagine you leaving has meant a pretty decent improvement.