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beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Why would they want to? He's just delivered the most amazing set of midterm results for an incumbent party in history
mercy? he should be playing golf not leading a nation, its not a good look they cant find anyone obvious for the next election.
 

Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Correct. Unless Biden and Harris are impeached leaving the leader of the lower house next in line who can then install a VP, Have you noticed the GOP are now arguing a lot over who should be leader in the lower house/Speaker?
Actually ‘impeachment’ doesn’t mean removal from Office, it just means a request ( that needs to start in the House) to call the ‘accused’ to appear before a Senate impeachment hearing- it is the Senate that must then vote whether to proceed with a formal conviction of High Treason,Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanours.

Hardly likely a Democrat controlled Senate is going to vote to criminally charge its own VP or Democratic President 🙄
 

A1X

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Actually ‘impeachment’ doesn’t mean removal from Office, it just means a request ( that needs to start in the House) to call the ‘accused’ to appear before a Senate impeachment hearing- it is the Senate that must then vote whether to proceed with a formal conviction of High Treason,Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanours.

Hardly likely a Democrat controlled Senate is going to vote to criminally charge its own VP or Democratic President 🙄
It’s also incredibly serious, much more than simply equivalent to a VONC in the UK for instance. It’d be extremely worrying if either party were trying to bring down a presidency and gerrymander their own leader in through undemocratic means simply for the crime of them being from the other party.
 

Zeberdi

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It’s also incredibly serious, much more than simply equivalent to a VONC in the UK for instance. It’d be extremely worrying if either party were trying to bring down a presidency and gerrymander their own leader in through undemocratic means simply for the crime of them being from the other party.
Yes absolutely but if we are talking about the Reps impeaching Biden and Harris (which some Reps are postulating there are grounds to) you’re talking about ‘election deniers’ and the party that sat by while their President preached insurrection and dog whistled his supporters into storming the Capitol to overturn the legitimate results of a Presidential Election !!
 


A1X

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Yes absolutely but if we are talking about the Reps impeaching Biden and Harris (which some Reps are postulating there are grounds to) you’re talking about ‘election deniers’ and the party that sat by while their President preached insurrection and dog whistled his supporters into storming the Capitol to overturn the legitimate results of a Presidential Election !!
Indeed. I’ve not followed it closely, what is it they’re trying to actually get Biden on?
 

RexCathedra

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Indeed. I’ve not followed it closely, what is it they’re trying to actually get Biden on?
Habitual being-a-Democrat.

You don't need more than that. The "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the Constitution are nowhere codified or stipulated.
Essentially they are whatever a transient majority of the lower house says they are.

Congress' research arm did a thorough study of the process, in UK and US history, while the House was drafting articles on Nixon's impeachment in 1974.
Discussions of subsequent impeachments (Clinton's, Trump's) have started here.

PDF -- https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20160622/105095/HHRG-114-JU00-20160622-SD004.pdf

Raoul Berger's Impeachment, the Constitutional Problems from the same era, thought the second edition is post-Clinton, remains the usual scholarly go-to.

At Amazon
 
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Zeberdi

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The impeachment momentum comes from the MAGA base (actually a majority of Republican voters) who want a Republican controlled House to file articles of impeachment against Biden challenging the legitimacy of his Presidency- Yes, Rex is correct in part, the motives are political and there is no evidence to suggest the Senate would remove Biden on any criminal grounds but this is all a direct corollary of election denial which is the core position of the GOP now.

Trump and his supporters want retribution and if they win the House, it could get messy - Trump still has enormous influence in the Party and the next Speaker of the House is likely to be one of his closer allies, Kevin McCarthy although he will himself be needing to unite the Republican Representatives. Ultimately they will attempt to drag Biden through the Senate, (Harris too for not implementing the 25th to remove Biden!) and prior to that months of impeachment resolutions going through the House to be voted on and passed to the Senate causing enormous disruption to Biden’s legislative agenda.

The main articles the Republicans will hope to draft (because the illegitimacy argument will not have much fuel) will likely focus on Biden’s Son, Hunter and his drug use, his position as a rather unqualified board member of a Ukrainian gas company and allegations of tax crimes. It’s how they will try and connect Biden to that and try and prove some kind of wrongdoing by the President which will be the issue. There are several other articles but mainly policy decisions made by Biden that the Reps did not like.

Payback is a bitch.
 


sparkie

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Correct. Unless Biden and Harris are impeached leaving the leader of the lower house next in line who can then install a VP, Have you noticed the GOP are now arguing a lot over who should be leader in the lower house/Speaker?
They can be impeached by the house of representatives but surely not kicked out if the Senate has a Democrat majority ?
 

Swansman

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May 13, 2019
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They can be impeached by the house of representatives but surely not kicked out if the Senate has a Democrat majority ?
Pretty sure the impeached person gets kicked out if they're convincted for whatever they was impeached for.
 

sparkie

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Pretty sure the impeached person gets kicked out if they're convincted for whatever they was impeached for.
Yes they would but the issue is why would a democrat Senate convict them on "trumped" up charges ?

Trump was impeached twice wasn't he ? Never got kicked out.
 


Crawley Dingo

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They can be impeached by the house of representatives but surely not kicked out if the Senate has a Democrat majority ?
The trial is supposed to be impartial and so 2/3rds needed to remove the president should be possible if obviously guilty.
 

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It’s also incredibly serious, much more than simply equivalent to a VONC in the UK for instance. It’d be extremely worrying if either party were trying to bring down a presidency and gerrymander their own leader in through undemocratic means simply for the crime of them being from the other party.
It has been very worrying - ever since the Republicans started using this as a strategy during the Clinton years. They have been at it ever since.
 


Zeberdi

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Trump was impeached twice wasn't he ? Never got kicked out.
First impeachment - At the time Trump was impeached on 2 charges (abuse of power and obstruction of Congress relating to Trump pressuring Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden’s Son to smear Biden), the Republicans held the Senate by 53, 45 Dems and 2 independents (who usually vote Dem) - 20 GOP members would have had to defect to convict Trump and vote to remove him from office. Trump was acquitted of those charges so a vote to remove him never took place.

Of course conviction on impeachment articles by trial in the Senate is only a political process (presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) but that didn’t stop a wave of Civil and State criminal charges against Trump once he left Office. It also didn’t stop Trump being impeached once he had left Office:

Second impeachment- After loosing the November 2020 Presidential election (and Dems won back the Senate and House), Trump was impeached again in January 2021, once he left Office, for inciting insurrection at the Capitol and attempts to overthrow the 2020 results. This time, the question was not removing him from office but whether an impeachment conviction would permanently disqualify him from running for public office again, including for the Presidency. The Senate voted 57-43 to convict Trump of inciting insurrection falling 10 votes short of the constitutional 2/3 majority required and Trump was again acquitted. It only would have taken a simple majority to disqualify Trump from running again but he would have had to have been convicted at the impeachment trial first.
 

Zeberdi

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Zeberdi

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The Republicans win back control of the House of Representatives - they will no doubt commence exhaustive investigations into the Hunter Biden stuff etc and start drafting numerous articles of impeachment and subpoenas - Biden might find it difficult to get some of the budget legislation through Congress now.

The new majority Speaker is Kevin McCarthy who Trump very much sees as his pathway to the Whitehouse

 
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Zeberdi

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So it all turned out like projected.

Dems control the Senate, Rep. control the House.
Well it’s still only a projection as more races are being counted but the Republicans have reached the 218 needed so have it sewn up, mathematically the Dems cant win a majority now - (The media generally don’t make projections of overall results until it’s in the bag and enough votes are in.)
 

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