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[Politics] US mid-terms



Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
14,569
Problem is two thirds of Americans don't want want him to stand again. He's just so old....
Yep, much better to get that young whipper-snapper Trumpo in the WH. Him being a whopping three and a half years younger than Biden :LOL:

That's the mad thing about 'The Donald' possibly running again – if successful, he'll be the same age as the current president was when he took up the position...
 

BBassic

I changed this.
Jul 28, 2011
12,134
That's the mad thing about 'The Donald' possibly running again – if successful, he'll be the same age as the current president was when he took up the position...
The more mad thing is that if someone were to point that out to him he simply wouldn't understand the mathematics of it.
 

peterward

Well-known member
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Nov 11, 2009
10,943
Yep, much better to get that young whipper-snapper Trumpo in the WH. Him being a whopping three and a half years younger than Biden :LOL:

That's the mad thing about 'The Donald' possibly running again – if successful, he'll be the same age as the current president was when he took up the position...
And a lot better than Yale educated and very dangerous Trump with a Brain, Ron De Santis.

 


Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Oct 20, 2022
4,522
After their relatively speaking impressive performance in the mid-terms – when typically the party in power loses seats left, right and centre – why would they? Maybe he's doing better than a lot of people say he is...?
It’s a weird one isn’t it ? - Yes, typically the Incumbent has significant losses in the mid-terms and additionally, Biden‘s particularly low ratings in the opinion polls recently led people to believe there would be a ‘red wave’.

What has happened though, I think, is that fearing this wave may have got the Democrat vote out. In addition, Trump’s endorsement of so many candidates for Congress and State officials ie his acolyte ‘election deniers’ may have just led Republicans, worried about this continuing attack on democratic process, to have a low voter turnout or vote for candidates lower down the ticket thereby splitting the vote between Trump’s candidates and other republicans (proportionally benefiting the democratic candidates). In fact, there was a lot of tactical voting too, according to US media pundits, where Dems were voting for Republican candidates lower down the ticket, again to split the Republican vote.

The point being, I think the Dems have done relatively well because the Republicans have done relatively badly and not because of the popularity of Biden. Yet both sides will declare a victory of course. Both the Senate and the House still hang in the balance (and may not be known for weeks with the run offs needed).

My own feeling is that Biden will be a liability if he stands again, he is perceived by many voters to be too old and has certainly made some strange cognitive hiccups in the past 2 years and clearly has difficulty walking at times . I think the Republicans will field a Presidential candidate who is relatively young and energetic (heaven forbid it is DeSantis as he is just as extreme as Trump!) which will magnify Biden’s frailty at the dispatch box.

(Btw Apologies for being a bore but I have American relatives, most of whom are Dems and some of whom work for the Democratic Party so tend to hear a lot from the horses mouth through emails etc - they are all coming to the UK for Christmas so American politics will likely dominate dinner conversation much to the annoyance of the rest of the family 😂)
 


Swansman

Pro-peace
May 13, 2019
22,320
Sweden
After their relatively speaking impressive performance in the mid-terms – when typically the party in power loses seats left, right and centre – why would they? Maybe he's doing better than a lot of people say he is...?
My guess is that his fine results are a lot more about Donald Trump than it is about him.

If he was against some less "I'm-a-maniac-in-your-face" bloke, I think things might have looked different.
 

chickens

Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Oct 12, 2022
1,698
Democrats retain control of the Senate.
While I don’t feel the Democrats are going to be the saviours of America’s ills, all the while the Republicans continue down their rabbit hole of dog whistle politics, blatant untruth and being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, they’re going to take an ever shrinking slice of the middle ground.

Their desire to sell a vision of America that looks backward 100 years to an oil and gas filled past where social conservatism (aka bigotry) ruled is a ship that has already sailed. Those genies aren’t going back in their bottles.

They’ve steered themselves into a cul de sac, and it’s going to take an almighty reset to bring them out. Coupled with a ludicrous political system that paralyses the entire country more often than not, and you have a recipe for nothing much changing, which is the one thing most Americans on both sides don’t want.
 


A1X

Well-known member
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Sep 1, 2017
17,221
Deepest, darkest Sussex

Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Oct 20, 2022
4,522
No idea who the last guy is but f*** me he’s one sinister MF.
That’s Jesse Watters I think you’re referring to - but they are all MFs - He’s one of Fox News’ Primetime anchors and right up there with all the other right wing, fake news peddling, TV hacks at Fox. They were Trump’s mouthpiece throughout his term but now are backing DeSantis (who is even more of a nasty far right character than Trump was!).
 


Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Oct 20, 2022
4,522
Democrats retain control of the Senate.
Yep - There is still Georgia to play out in next months’ run off but the Dems now winning Arizona means even if Georgia goes to the Republicans making it 50:50, with Kamala Harris having the deciding vote, Dems retain control of the Senate with the requisite 51:50 majority.
 

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
538
And a lot better than Yale educated and very dangerous Trump with a Brain, Ron De Santis.

From the link.
Florida’s constitution was amended in 2010 to prohibit partisan-driven redistricting, a landmark effort in the growing movement to end gerrymandering as an inescapable feature of American politics.

Which is what he did, breaking up a 200 mile long district that snaked through black communities which is Gerrymandering unless you are pushing racially segregated communities?

CBS admits as much,
The shape of Florida's 5th District, which is represented by Democratic Congressman Al Lawson and has had a Black representative since 1993, is unrecognizable in the new map. The district originally stretched from Jacksonville to Tallahassee, to connect majority Black communities.

5th.png
 

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,381
Gods country fortnightly
Looks like a super slim majority in the House for Republicans.

Interesting to see how much of a shitstorm Trump creates in the coming months. Be amazed if he goes away quietly
 

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
538
Yep - There is still Georgia to play out in next months’ run off but the Dems now winning Arizona means even if Georgia goes to the Republicans making it 50:50, with Kamala Harris having the deciding vote, Dems retain control of the Senate with the requisite 51:50 majority.
Correct. Unless Biden and Harris are impeached leaving the leader of the lower house next in line who can then install a VP, Have you noticed the GOP are now arguing a lot over who should be leader in the lower house/Speaker?
 


Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
16,472
Fiveways
Looks like a super slim majority in the House for Republicans.

Interesting to see how much of a shitstorm Trump creates in the coming months. Be amazed if he goes away quietly
What is the situation with the House of Reps? Currently there are 21 still to declare. What's taking them so long? 203 Dem vs 211 Rep at the mo, with 218 as the threshold
 

Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Oct 20, 2022
4,522
What is the situation with the House of Reps? Currently there are 21 still to declare. What's taking them so long? 203 Dem vs 211 Rep at the mo, with 218 as the threshold
See my post above
edit! sorry deleted by mistake

There are a lot of mail-in ballots to count / California is one of the 9/10 States that has has default mail-in ballots- these can take weeks as they still arrive after election day (by a few days) and there are a number of very close congressional district races to count in California.
 
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