United States of Europe....Is this what you want?

[dougdeep]

I'd rather we were the 51st state of America than a part of a federal Europe.

 

[East Preston Gull]

All the rights we want to keep the working man poor because he can't do overtime, needs a certificate for everything he does even though he can't actually do what he needs. The Uk starts to recover because of its flexible workforce, student workers at supermarkets are issued with 17 week contracts so that they can be dismissed after this period without any given reason. The EU has some sensible ideas but many, many ridiculous ones, but what it has robbed the working man of is ambition. The EU is slow motion socialism and is no good for this country.

Political post of all time. This, with bells on, well said!

 

[melias shoes]

All the rights we want to keep the working man poor because he can't do overtime, needs a certificate for everything he does even though he can't actually do what he needs. The Uk starts to recover because of its flexible workforce, student workers at supermarkets are issued with 17 week contracts so that they can be dismissed after this period without any given reason. The EU has some sensible ideas but many, many ridiculous ones, but what it has robbed the working man of is ambition. The EU is slow motion socialism and is no good for this country.

 

[Captain Sensible]

All the rights we want to keep the working man poor because he can't do overtime, needs a certificate for everything he does even though he can't actually do what he needs. The Uk starts to recover because of its flexible workforce, student workers at supermarkets are issued with 17 week contracts so that they can be dismissed after this period without any given reason. The EU has some sensible ideas but many, many ridiculous ones, but what it has robbed the working man of is ambition. The EU is slow motion socialism and is no good for this country.

These points you make highlight why the EU is needed. Exactly that most of the jobs being created are short term and part time on low wages are in my view bad for the economy and the uk. These conditions of these low paid would be worse if not for EU law. If you think it's because of EU laws that bosses are only hiring short term, to avoid confirming to these laws and instead they would take on a spotty 17yr old on a long term contrat, then you need to take off your rose tinted specs.
Employers and the current trend of companies to undercut & outsource labour, is creating a race to the bottom on wages.
The EU employment laws create better working conditions for employees, bosses would hire on the cheap regardless of these laws, so we are better off with them that without them.

 

[BN9 BHA]

To those of you self employed that have quoted me, I said if you are employed by a company or are not the boss in my opening line. Bosses hate EU employment law, hence the constant moaning from the right wing press. The vast majority of the workers in the uk are employees. Therefore their working conditions are better now than 20 years ago, due to the EU. Bosses admittedly have more hoops to jump through.

You say ' the vast majority of the workers in the UK are employees'
Do you have any facts on this? I am very interested in this statement.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The EU employment laws create better working conditions for employees, bosses would hire on the cheap regardless of these laws, so we are better off with them that without them.

Detail those laws then ? The people of Greece and Italy - both of whom have had their leaders replaced at the whim of the EU ( and replaced with EU selected leaders ) and whom have been put into unemployment thanks to the EU might disagree with you.

 

[The Rivet]

In a conversation recently with Diego Napier two things were discussed.
1. What's in it for me
2. What's in it for sovereign governments

I guess if you get rid of sovereign governments then individuals are easy to control in separate states. What powers would we as the UK be left with? Some of these issues are all evident in previous posts. Remember no-one has yet had the right to vote on the heads of the EU yet. Had any electioneering material from Herman Van Rumpuy (spelling not sure) through your door? Or Manuel Borrosso? (sp?)...No? Thought not.

 

[pastafarian]

I hope we let the Germans run the United States Of Europe,its only fair really.They have tried a couple of times and frankly have had some awful luck.
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[melias shoes]

These points you make highlight why the EU is needed. Exactly that most of the jobs being created are short term and part time on low wages are in my view bad for the economy and the uk. These conditions of these low paid would be worse if not for EU law. If you think it's because of EU laws that bosses are only hiring short term, to avoid confirming to these laws and instead they would take on a spotty 17yr old on a long term contrat, then you need to take off your rose tinted specs.
Employers and the current trend of companies to undercut & outsource labour, is creating a race to the bottom on wages.
The EU employment laws create better working conditions for employees, bosses would hire on the cheap regardless of these laws, so we are better off with them that without them.

Rubbish. The reason I CHOOSE to be self employed is because I am not tied to an employer who wouldn't pay me any near as much as I do now. Ok I don't get any of the entitlements such as holiday pay/parental leave but I'm still better off.

 

[Brighton Mod]

These points you make highlight why the EU is needed. Exactly that most of the jobs being created are short term and part time on low wages are in my view bad for the economy and the uk. These conditions of these low paid would be worse if not for EU law. If you think it's because of EU laws that bosses are only hiring short term, to avoid confirming to these laws and instead they would take on a spotty 17yr old on a long term contrat, then you need to take off your rose tinted specs.
Employers and the current trend of companies to undercut & outsource labour, is creating a race to the bottom on wages.
The EU employment laws create better working conditions for employees, bosses would hire on the cheap regardless of these laws, so we are better off with them that without them.

They are short term because under the WTR workers can be taken on for 17 week contracts in which time they have very little recourse in employment law. Those doing this would be all the major supermarkets, high street chains, high profile outlets on retail parks, the NHS, the Civil service, power companies, fuel companies and all the utility companies. Thus the short term contracts are being created by EU Legislation. When someone comes to the boss and says that he would like to do some overtime because Christmas is coming or they are having another child the answer is sorry, to give you to much overtime contravenes EU law. so people are engaged on short term contracts. EU employment legislation will keep the working man poor and that's where the unelected European Political Elite want him to be.

 

[The Rivet]

I hope we let the Germans run the United States Of Europe,its only fair really.They have tried a couple of times and frankly have had some awful luck.
What could possibly go wrong?

Not funny in the slightest. Please try harder.

 

[melias shoes]

I hope we let the Germans run the United States Of Europe,its only fair really.They have tried a couple of times and frankly have had some awful luck.
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The nineteenth century concept of the Nation State is seriously past its sell-by date. It was fine for carving up the colonial word between competing European nations, but is totally irrelevant to today's political and economic conditions. The only problem with a "United States" of Europe is that most people mistake the idea for some sort of version of the United States of America (which, itself, hasn't evolved beyond a nineteenth century Nation State).

 

[Diego Napier]

All the rights we want to keep the working man poor because he can't do overtime, needs a certificate for everything he does even though he can't actually do what he needs. The Uk starts to recover because of its flexible workforce, student workers at supermarkets are issued with 17 week contracts so that they can be dismissed after this period without any given reason. The EU has some sensible ideas but many, many ridiculous ones, but what it has robbed the working man of is ambition. The EU is slow motion socialism and is no good for this country.

A long slow decline from the youthfull, euphoric heights of Itchycoo idealism into the grubby middle-aged embrace of establishment materialism eh?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Rubbish. The reason I CHOOSE to be self employed is because I am not tied to an employer who wouldn't pay me any near as much as I do now. Ok I don't get any of the entitlements such as holiday pay/parental leave but I'm still better off.

Can you tell me why you thought I might have a vested interest?

 

[The Rivet]

The nineteenth century concept of the Nation State is seriously past its sell-by date. It was fine for carving up the colonial word between competing European nations, but is totally irrelevant to today's political and economic conditions. The only problem with a "United States" of Europe is that most people mistake the idea for some sort of version of the United States of America (which, itself, hasn't evolved beyond a nineteenth century Nation State).

No we mistake it for an unelected elite. We the people are allowed a voice but, I guess in your ideological view that fact is irrelevant? Do you agree with Europe wide electioneering for example. Are we allowed to vote for the representative of Poland? If so how will all this work? I don't want to be governed by someone I haven't had a say in! I also want the people I do have a say in to have some teeth. Under the united states of Europe without representation We/I would have neither.

 

[The Rivet]

Can you tell me why you thought I might have a vested interest?

Herr Tubthumper I guess you already know the answer to that question!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

A statement without an ounce of proof ( rather than a gram ! ).

Try reading the papers, listening to the pronouncements, policies and intentions of the Conservative party.

 

[The Rivet]

A long slow decline from the youthfull, euphoric heights of Itchycoo idealism into the grubby middle-aged embrace of establishment materialism eh?

Good Evening Diego, I'm not disagreeing with that comment. I'd like to ask you if you believe in voted representation or unelected appointments. Also when should grubby middle aged mean you have no relevance? I'm provocative I know..

 

[The Rivet]

Just like first past the post.

You get a chance to be one of the first past the post!................without a meaningful vote you are nothing. Are you? you might not win but at least you had a say.