UK Schoolgirl killed in Syria

[symyjym]

One has to look at the events that led up to 9/11 and other atrocities to understand why someone may be radicalised. The Bin Laden family have for decades been a huge building contracting firm. Osama Bin Laden was a normal brother in a hugely wealthy family until two refugee camps were set upon and all the inhabitants massacred. This is what turned Bin Laden from a normal member of a family of building contractors into a malignant, murderous terrorist.
That's not any excuse for what the man did and I abhore his reaction. As many rightly do.
He had the money to then launch a full scale assault on the western world.
When potential extremists are targeted, this is the history they are told.
I stress I absolutely do not condone his actions or the subsequent war on western civilisation but this is one example that is used to radicalise people.
A big, sorry mess, the lot of it.

Bin Laden has a lot of history. What refugee camps are you talking about? I knew he wasn't happy when the Saudi's invited the US onto "holy" soil, instead of the Mujahidin, to kick Saddam out of Kuwait in 1990.

Also it wouldn't be that hard to fall out with the US criminal Republican Neo Cons with the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz etc and last but not least the Bush family who are as you know are in bed with the Bin Laden's. What's there not to like?

 

[The Clamp]

Bin Laden has a lot of history. What refugee camps are you talking about? I knew he wasn't happy when the Saudi's invited the US onto "holy" soil, instead of the Mujahidin, to kick Saddam out of Kuwait in 1990.

Also it wouldn't be that hard to fall out with the US criminal Republican Neo Cons with the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz etc and last but not least the Bush family who are as you know are in bed with the Bin Laden's. What's there not to like?

Most likely they were two camps in Bayiman, invaded by US funded foreign troops, but it's not confirmed. It may well be a fabrication. My point, perhaps not made that well, is that confrontations, wars, are not the result of one single action, they occur as part of a series of , sometimes seemingly unrelated events, that gain momentum until a murderous loon like Bin Laden takes the fight outside of their own country. This is how extremists are recruited.

 

[Hastings gull]

One has to look at the events that led up to 9/11 and other atrocities to understand why someone may be radicalised. The Bin Laden family have for decades been a huge building contracting firm. Osama Bin Laden was a brother in a hugely wealthy family until two refugee camps were set upon and all the inhabitants massacred. This is what turned Bin Laden from a member of a family of building contractors into a malignant, murderous terrorist. That's not any excuse for what the man did and I abhore his reaction. As many rightly do.
He had the money to then launch a full scale assault on the western world.
When potential extremists are targeted, this is the history they are told.
I stress I absolutely do not condone his actions or the subsequent war on western civilisation but this is one example that is used to radicalise people.
A big, sorry mess, the lot of it.

Edit: to clarify, Osama bin laden had for a long time been involved with fighting with and arming anti western militia, it was not an overnight transformation.

Massacred by whom?

 

[Hastings gull]

Bin Laden has a lot of history. What refugee camps are you talking about? I knew he wasn't happy when the Saudi's invited the US onto "holy" soil, instead of the Mujahidin, to kick Saddam out of Kuwait in 1990.

Also it wouldn't be that hard to fall out with the US criminal Republican Neo Cons with the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz etc and last but not least the Bush family who are as you know are in bed with the Bin Laden's. What's there not to like?

How is this relevant to the topic in question, or did you feel the need to add a bit of personal bias for good measure?

 

[Hastings gull]

Yeah! As bad as one-armed weather forecasters!

Was this really necessary? Your posts started well and have now descended rather, once others' views are in sight.

 

[symyjym]

How is this relevant to the topic in question, or did you feel the need to add a bit of personal bias for good measure?

It's all relevant if we are going to discuss something objectively and critically. Where would you prefer to take the discussion?

 

[The Clamp]

Massacred by whom?

That's a very good question, to which nobody has an answer.

 

[Hamilton]

Was this really necessary? Your posts started well and have now descended rather, once others' views are in sight.

Who made you Head Teacher?

Still waiting for goldstone's explanation for this thread... http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-regional-weather&highlight=one+armed+weather

 

[Hastings gull]

Who made you Head Teacher?

Still waiting for goldstone's explanation for this thread... http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-regional-weather&highlight=one+armed+weather

As I expected.

 

[Hastings gull]

That's a very good question, to which nobody has an answer.

But this is quite crucial to the point you were making; you said that as a result of this alleged massacre, he turned to terrorism. Given that his terrorism was then aimed at that big bad West, the inference from your post was that western troops were involved, which of course you cannot substantiate. That would undermine totally the point that somehow the West was to blame, would it not?

 

[bha100]

Getting Teenage kids to do anything is a near impossible task, yet isil's power of persuasion can get a 16yr old to go to some hell hole where the odds of you getting raped with allsorts of shit happening to you and ultimately ending up dead are high is staggering, i can't even fecking get mine to keep their bedrooms tidy.

 

[Hamilton]

As I expected.

Delighted we got that sorted. I knew it would be an oversight on your part and that you would have missed goldstone's outrageous earlier post discriminating against those with a disability. No worries. Glad we can all move on together.

 

[The Clamp]

But this is quite crucial to the point you were making; you said that as a result of this alleged massacre, he turned to terrorism. Given that his terrorism was then aimed at that big bad West, the inference from your post was that western troops were involved, which of course you cannot substantiate. That would undermine totally the point that somehow the West was to blame, would it not?

Nope. I never stated that western troops were involved.

 

[symyjym]

Who made you Head Teacher?

Still waiting for goldstone's explanation for this thread... http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-regional-weather&highlight=one+armed+weather

What a bizarre thread.

 

[Hamilton]

What a bizarre thread.

I know. Quite odd. I could only assume he had been on the sauce.

 

[vegster]

Slightly sad but she died doing what she chose to do so... ah well.

 

[alfredmizen]

You're so tetchy aren't you. Don't look to me to start your own personal little world war for you. Go blow it out your arse mate.

What a strange answer , probably posted because you can't deny my last post was true.

 

[Hamilton]

What a strange answer , probably posted because you can't deny my last post was true.

We can read you like a book. You'll read what you like into anything because you have your own little agenda to pursue. It comes to something when I say it's sad that 16 year old girls find solace in going off to war zones and you equate that to my blaming Western society for that. You're an angry frustrated little boy.

 

[Ludensian Gull]

Slightly sad but she died doing what she chose to do so... ah well.

This

 

[alfredmizen]

We can read you like a book. You'll read what you like into anything because you have your own little agenda to pursue. It comes to something when I say it's sad that 16 year old girls find solace in going off to war zones and you equate that to my blaming Western society for that. You're an angry frustrated little boy.

I'm angry and frustrated ? Says you who resorts to silly pictures to try and win the argument, it's down in black and white what you said , wriggle as much as you like but you've been proved to have said it.