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NSC certainly isn’t all tolerance and light in politics threads! Big difference between being fanatical about a political party and just plain racism though…
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DataPoint
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I haven't visited this thread for month's - nothing's changed!
Gary Lineker is again is a hero by comparing the governments immigration strategy to that of the Nazi's in the 1930's .
If you are honest, if you are intelligent, if you are young or old and wise, if you pride yourself in wanting the truth - get yourself a copy of Thames Televisions 1970's acclaimed series "The World at War". Every episode is extraordinary but in the context of Gary's claim three episodes stand out -
"A New Germany (1933–1939)"
"The final solution Part One"
"The final solution Part Two"
You will see real evidence of the absolute depravity of human begins - you will see total hatred, humiliation, the destruction of civilization whipped up by mind-blowing propaganda - you will see the actual footage and stupefyingly horrific murder of men, women and children - not acted - real footage - with survivors harrowing interviews and on a scale utterly, utterly inconceivable.
If you do this, you will view poor old Gary with sympathy and sadness!
en.wikipedia.org
Gary Lineker is again is a hero by comparing the governments immigration strategy to that of the Nazi's in the 1930's .
If you are honest, if you are intelligent, if you are young or old and wise, if you pride yourself in wanting the truth - get yourself a copy of Thames Televisions 1970's acclaimed series "The World at War". Every episode is extraordinary but in the context of Gary's claim three episodes stand out -
"A New Germany (1933–1939)"
"The final solution Part One"
"The final solution Part Two"
You will see real evidence of the absolute depravity of human begins - you will see total hatred, humiliation, the destruction of civilization whipped up by mind-blowing propaganda - you will see the actual footage and stupefyingly horrific murder of men, women and children - not acted - real footage - with survivors harrowing interviews and on a scale utterly, utterly inconceivable.
If you do this, you will view poor old Gary with sympathy and sadness!
The World at War - Wikipedia
nicko31
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You do wonder how Andrew Neil got away with being a political anchor on the Beeb for all those years whilst simultaneously being Chair of the Spectator magazine. Food for thought....
Well, except the appointment of Sue Gray as his "Chief of Staff" (whatever that may be). Not only was that giving the Tories ammunition, but the gun to fire the ammunition as well, then shooting himself in the foot with it.
That shows a total lack of political judgement on Starmer's part. It was daft. Wait until the GE is done and dusted and THEN appoint her. His refusal to say when he first contacted Gray to offer her the job also stinks. If you having neither to hide Sir Starmer, why are you going to such lengths to hide it?
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I found Neil on the whole impartial and a good host.
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As I said earlier in the thread, it’s very poor optics. If it were the other away around it’d be “Tories manipulated Gray, typical sleaze” etc. But you’ll notice I don’t do political sniping or point scoring. I hate this government but wouldn’t be averse to voting Tory one day in the future if they were the right option for the country, on a constituency level or to keep others out.
Starmer could frankly be in the throes of a passionate sexual affair with Sue Gray right now for all I care and I’ll still vote Labour to get the Tories out.
Manifestos mean SFA anyway. Lots of promises which are never kept. I recall the last GE Labour manifesto gave a commitment to "respect the result of the Brexit referendum". They didn't. They argued and bickered and then came up with no policy whatsoever.
Manifestos are just pages of empty, hollow "promises". That is the way they have always been.
Of course. Me too. But he really didn't need all the bad press from "Graygate", which was of his own making, which has certainly diverted media attention away from more important and pressing issues.
I am far from convinced that Starmer is the astute politician we need to solve our country's woes. But I have no choice but to give him the chance.
This confuses me.
A manifesto is a commitment to what a party will do in Government. If the party loses a general election the manifesto is ripped up and not acted on - for the simple reason that the party isn't in Government, and in any case the manifesto was rejected by the electorate. So who sticks to a manifesto after losing an election....?
- Oct 17, 2008
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Question for Labour Party member friends here. What are new new Labour’s views on defence? Namely Ukraine/Russia then also on Trident?
A manifesto sets out what a party will do in government. Labour published their manifesto stating they would "respect the Brexit referendum result. When it came to the hustings, there was no coherent policy supported by all members of the party, or indeed the MPs / candidates. Ask a Labour MP or candidate "what is your policy on Europe / Brexit?" and you got a different answer every time
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Well yes, but the entire campaign was a clusterfuck. You had moderates, remnants of New Labour and Momentum all with very different ideas on what Labour even represented.
They would put forward guests from different factions depending on which source they were appealing to. Sky News’s Labour guests would end up saying the exact opposite to the BBC’s, with an entirely different take from within the shadow cabinet in The Guardian.
What Sir Keir has done is - taken on the surface and from the outside looking in - reunite the party and sack off as many as possible who aren’t getting with the program. Fantastic for the party and the country to have a strong, United opposition ready to take government and start off pulling in the same direction
nicko31
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I actually think Neil on very good at his job and impartial on the Beeb, but not elsewhere. Yet Lineker is chastised for a comment on a private twitter account and he doesn't host a political programme.
Seems the government want to make the rules up when it suits them
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I don’t think Lineker has done anything wrong either. It’s a non-story. Nobody is completely unbiased in their views and he hasn’t said anything inflammatory.
Was just pointing out that Andrew Neil on the BBC at least was always scrupulously fair and clearly took his job seriously.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
True, and making millions doing it. Power, greed and money are their motivations.
I am not a Party member, nor have I voted for Labour for many years, but this is quite easy to find.
Starmer visits Ukraine to pledge continued commitment to Kyiv if he becomes PM
The Labour leader visited suburbs of Kyiv which saw heavy fighting and alleged war crimes in the opening months of the Russian invasion
www.standard.co.uk
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Thanks, but struggling to find anything on Trident. Will wait for the manifesto!True, and making millions doing it. Power, greed and money are their motivations.
I am not a Party member, nor have I voted for Labour for many years, but this is quite easy to find.
Starmer visits Ukraine to pledge continued commitment to Kyiv if he becomes PM
The Labour leader visited suburbs of Kyiv which saw heavy fighting and alleged war crimes in the opening months of the Russian invasion
Machiavelli
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I'm a member of a different party to Labour and, probably, you. My suggestion is that you look up the Labour Party's website, and follow the utterances of David Lammy in order to get the answer to your question.
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Oh I’m not a member of any political party - in fact I’ve not voted for the same one twice in a row, but thanks for the tip.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Suella Braverman accused of rule breach over ‘blob of civil servants’ email
Call for ministerial code inquiry over message blaming civil servants for failure to stop Channel crossingsSuella Braverman has been accused of potentially breaking ministerial rules by questioning the impartiality of public servants over small boat crossings in a Conservative campaign message.
In an email to thousands of Tory supporters, the home secretary blamed “an activist blob of leftwing lawyers, civil servants and the Labour party” for the government’s failure to stop Channel crossings.