mikeyjh
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Hmm, I realise that there may instinctively be a hypocrisy but I entirely support safeguards for renters, controls on rent rises etc etc. Or is there something more specific?
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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nicko31
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Fair comment. A lot of money is being wasted
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
- 7,931
the second option, as it has a fixed term.
as thatch said, imagine that the economy is like your household budget...................
rogersix
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2014
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have the tories got too many middle management types in the nhs?
their kids need jobs with a tidy pension!
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
How do you know the voting habits of these persons?
Pevenseagull
Anti-greed coalition
- Jul 20, 2003
- 19,950
Pevenseagull
Anti-greed coalition
- Jul 20, 2003
- 19,950
A few years ago a private company that sends medication to me (as an NHS provider) called to check that my delivery was complete. It wasnt. I told them it wasn't urgent and to put the item in the post, 2nd class. Instead they despatched it by courier the next day and there was an copy invoice for over £300 attached to the item ... The courier company was part of the same group as the privatised part of NHS fulfilment. ...it was a 24" piece of tube for enteral feeding. I checked the courier cost for the package on the open market and it was £ 25.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,546
It's quite simple.
Usually when a Government gets into power it's picking up the mistakes of the last, which in itself got them into power in the first place.
Because Labour has been in an electable mess post Blair, the Conservative party has been picking up the mess up of itself ever since.
That's why Labour will win the next election. The sensible know that for the sake of democracy, the Conservatives need at least a couple of terms out of power to sort themselves out.
Usually when a Government gets into power it's picking up the mistakes of the last, which in itself got them into power in the first place.
Because Labour has been in an electable mess post Blair, the Conservative party has been picking up the mess up of itself ever since.
That's why Labour will win the next election. The sensible know that for the sake of democracy, the Conservatives need at least a couple of terms out of power to sort themselves out.
nicko31
Well-known member
Good update on where we're at
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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All public sector entities are responsible for waste, I've seen it first hand but then are private sector companies.
Private sector companies have the option to simply remove a service or product if it isn't profitable (or wasteful) but that's often very difficult for the public sector.
My personal experience of waste is packaged drugs. Once they get administered they are effectively issued to an individual. If they are not needed, not working, not taken or delivered by mistake they get thrown in the bin.
I've also witnessed the same with other medical supplies that aren't drugs that could happily (and safely) be donated to someone who needs them. You can't send them back...
It runs into hundreds of millions.
drew
Drew
Rubbish, that's just an easy sweeping statement. It might be possible to criticise if at the start of that cycle the NHS was adequately funded. It wasn't so it's already on the back foot. Also, you have to look at the service demand over that time and how that has changed. It's frequently commented on that we have an aging population so that will be more demanding on the service.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
- 10,052
But are there enough of them?
Yes indeed. Very frustrating.
And what was behind the move to have everything in sealed plastic and foil units - taking up a load of space and resources. What was actually wrong with the small glass bottles that you returned and got reused?
nicko31
Well-known member
Don't underestimate the ability of the right wing press to gaslight the country. Labour's lead is softer than many think, no one can be complacent.
This fucker
www.theguardian.com
Third of staff allege bullying in Raab’s private office team
Exclusive: Leaked annual survey shows four-fold rise in harassment claims in justice ministers’ office
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vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,992
Wasn't there a report released a couple of days ago by the government that found failings in the NHS were mostly due to its underfunding ?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Stretford and Urmston parliamentary by-election, result:
LAB: 69.6% (+9.3)
CON: 15.9% (-11.7)
GRN: 4.3% (+1.6)
LDEM: 3.6% (-2.4)
REF: 3.5% (+3.5)
REU: 1.3% (+1.3)
IND: 1.0% (+1.0)
FA: 0.4% (+0.4)
SDP: 0.4% (+0.4)
LAB: 69.6% (+9.3)
CON: 15.9% (-11.7)
GRN: 4.3% (+1.6)
LDEM: 3.6% (-2.4)
REF: 3.5% (+3.5)
REU: 1.3% (+1.3)
IND: 1.0% (+1.0)
FA: 0.4% (+0.4)
SDP: 0.4% (+0.4)
nicko31
Well-known member
More evidence the Tory meltdown has cost us even more.
Now our key workers pay the bill
www.independent.co.uk
Now our key workers pay the bill
Tax dodging during pandemic cost HMRC £9bn, watchdog says
Fewer probes were conducted into people and businesses not paying the right tax as thousands of compliance staff were redeployed, the NAO found.
www.independent.co.uk
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Machiavelli
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I note that you haven't responded to the previous question I posed. Might that be because the answer is uncomfortable for what you're attempting to achieve?
Just in case you've been busy, here it is again:
Can you share with us the following information please:
1, what proportion of GDP does the US spend on healthcare?
2, what proportion of GDP does the UK spend on healthcare?
You're also exercised about the amount of money spent on the NHS over the past eight years, and using this to forward the agenda that a public service is 'inefficient'. Now, let's have a look at two bits of data on this. I'll add some analysis to it too -- I'm sure you'll disagree with this, but we'll leave it up to others to form their judgment. So, first:
The NHS budget and how it has changed
What is the NHS budget and how is it funded? Find out in our nutshell.
Osborne's (dreadful) austerity policy starved the NHS for three years -- following on from an impressive upturn in funding from New Labour (although this isn't accounted for in this graph). You conveniently ignore these three years, and want to start your analysis at the point that spending did actually start to increase. The NHS (and all healthcare systems in the 'developed' world) need extra resources each year, because there's an increased demand -- estimated at 4%pa -- due to an ageing population. So, by your starting point, the NHS was well shy of resources, and the government had to start firefighting, which accounts for most of the increases over the following years (13/14 to 19/20). There was then a massive spike in 20/21, which was for Covid. Included in that extra amount was the creation of separation between CV and non-CV treatment in hospitals, Nightingales, PPE, mass testing, provision of free tests to the public, the cost of treating a 'once in a century pandemic', and so on.
Given that demand has increased 4% year on year for 12 years, and the cost of CV, the extra funding really isn't that much, and way, way behind what it should be if supply were to meet demand.
Now, let's also factor this chart in from the Nuffield Trust, which I don't think requires too much analysis (see: https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/ne...-and-future-of-government-spending-on-the-nhs)
Changes in health spending per capita, adjusted for demographic changes
| Time period, political party | Average annual change in per capita health spending (adjusted) |
| 1979–1997, Conservatives | +2.03% |
| 1997–2010, Labour | +5.67% |
| 2010–2015, Con/Lib coalition | -0.07% |
| 2015–2021, Conservatives | -0.03% |
| 2021–2024, Conservatives – committed spend | +2.05% |