[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[nicko31]

Seems not, just more stop the boats rhetoric

Its such a cool plan, couple of hundred mill to for an asylum seekers exchange 1:1 and doesn't cost Rwanda a penny.

To be fair they've probably been screwed in the aid budget soon need the dough

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Presented with numerical evidence that he lied about how well we did over Covid deaths, Johnson states he doesn't accept the evidence.

He now claims that coming 'half way down' the European death tables this means his early statement (that we did better than most other nations) is correct.

It has been pointed out that compared with similar nations (France, Belgium, Germany etc, not f***ing Bulgaria) we had death figures that were worse than all of them except Italy.

He is still claiming what he said was correct, and the facts presented to him are irrelevant.

One way to succeed is to believe your own lies.

 

[TomandJerry]

From Rishi:

Let me just go through the ways individual illegal migrants try and stay.


Claiming asylum – that’s now blocked.


Abuse of our Modern Slavery rules – blocked.


The idea that Rwanda isn’t safe – blocked.


The risk of being sent on to some other country - blocked.


And spurious Human Rights claims – you’d better believe we’ve blocked those too … because we’re completely disapplying all the relevant sections of the Human Rights Act.


And not only have we blocked all these ways illegal migrants will try and stay.


We’ve also blocked their ability to try and stay by bringing a Judicial Review on any of those grounds.


That means that this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to Rwanda from taking off.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

From Rishi:

Let me just go through the ways individual illegal migrants try and stay.


Claiming asylum – that’s now blocked.


Abuse of our Modern Slavery rules – blocked.


The idea that Rwanda isn’t safe – blocked.


The risk of being sent on to some other country - blocked.


And spurious Human Rights claims – you’d better believe we’ve blocked those too … because we’re completely disapplying all the relevant sections of the Human Rights Act.


And not only have we blocked all these ways illegal migrants will try and stay.


We’ve also blocked their ability to try and stay by bringing a Judicial Review on any of those grounds.


That means that this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to Rwanda from taking off.

He simply wants to get us out of the ECHR so the Freeports/Special Enterprise Zones can start. Of course, he's going to promise a British Human Rights Act, but it won't protect us in anything like the former.
We will be serfs, not citizens, no exaggeration. Planning rules will be out of the window, just like the water companies follow Ofwat rules about sewage.
Councils are going bankrupt due to lack of central funds, so Central Government will suggest handing over the keys of the town hall, and bingo.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He really doesn't like being held to account.

 

[Machiavelli]

He really doesn't like being held to account.

"Not my fault guv, it was them."

 

[WATFORD zero]

I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday and there was an excellent interview with Dr S Chelvan, Head of Immigration and Public Law, who very succinctly explains why the Rwanda plan cannot ever work no matter what laws this current cabal invent or change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001t26d

From 50 mins to 60 mins, it explains how this current cabal are still lying everytime they mention flying 'illegal immigrants' to Rwanda and how it's a simple last ditch attempt to keep votes at the next election, but can never work.

I do appreciate that I am asking a lot, for those who back the Rwanda plan to concentrate for 10 minutes, so they can go from 54 -59 minutes and still get the gist

 

[Is it PotG?]

I do appreciate that I am asking a lot, for those who back the Rwanda plan to concentrate for nearly 6 minutes

I would think you'd have more success if you stopped stooping to condescending and patronising blurts.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I would think you'd have more success if you stopped stooping to condescending and patronising blurts.

Absolutely no comment on the actual substance of the post then, how many minutes through did you get

It's a simple observation, highlighting factual information at odds with what the current cabal are telling you. I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about them, and certainly wouldn't try to change yours, I know my limits So, consequently, there is no measure of 'success' for me in anything I post relating to them.

I thought I made it quite clear when you voted for Johnson and co to become the UKs Government, that I was stepping back to the role of bemused bystander

 

[Lever]

 

[Lever]

Absolutely no comment on the actual substance of the post then, how many minutes through did you get

It's a simple observation, highlighting factual information at odds with what the current cabal are telling you. I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about them, and certainly wouldn't try to change yours, I know my limits So, consequently, there is no measure of 'success' for me in anything I post relating to them.

I thought I made it quite clear when you voted for Johnson and co to become the UKs Government, that I was stepping back to the role of bemused bystander

Have you asked her/him for a thumbs up yet?

 

[The Clamp]

He really doesn't like being held to account.

So his defence is;

“No. You don’t understand”.

Revolting specimen.

 

[WATFORD zero]

So his defence is;

“No. You don’t understand”.

Revolting specimen.

I think you'll find that this is the current thread for 'how many times did you grab your ankles and let Johnson shaft you' https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/mr-cummings-and-the-covid-inquiry.404429/page-10

This thread is about how nobody has learnt anything and Rishi and his cabal are now the ones asking those who want it 'how you'd like it'

 

[chickens]

Absolutely no comment on the actual substance of the post then, how many minutes through did you get

It's a simple observation, highlighting factual information at odds with what the current cabal are telling you. I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about them, and certainly wouldn't try to change yours, I know my limits So, consequently, there is no measure of 'success' for me in anything I post relating to them.

I thought I made it quite clear when you voted for Johnson and co to become the UKs Government, that I was stepping back to the role of bemused bystander

I’ve got him on ignore, but I can imagine.

 

[nicko31]

I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday and there was an excellent interview with Dr S Chelvan, Head of Immigration and Public Law, who very succinctly explains why the Rwanda plan cannot ever work no matter what laws this current cabal invent or change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001t26d

From 50 mins to 60 mins, it explains how this current cabal are still lying everytime they mention flying 'illegal immigrants' to Rwanda and how it's a simple last ditch attempt to keep votes at the next election, but can never work.

I do appreciate that I am asking a lot, for those who back the Rwanda plan to concentrate for 10 minutes, so they can go from 54 -59 minutes and still get the gist

His advice is "draw a line under it and move on", the treaty will fail....

 

[WATFORD zero]

His advice is "draw a line under it and move on", the treaty will fail....

Of course it's going to fail. I'm dying for a Rwanda fan to tell us how it's going to actually work ?

But to be fair, 7 years on, i'm still waiting for a Brexit fan to tell us how the Northern Ireland border is actually going to work

 

[nicko31]

Of course it's going to fail. I'm dying for a Rwanda fan to tell us how it's going to actually work ?

But to be fair, 7 years on, i'm still waiting for a Brexit fan to tell us how the Northern Ireland border is actually going to work

Wokewarrior or whatever he’s calling himself this week will pop up any moment now with a solution

 

[sparkie]

Wokewarrior or whatever he’s calling himself this week will pop up any moment now with a solution

WokeWorrier not warrior.

They worry too much.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Wokewarrior or whatever he’s calling himself this week will pop up any moment now with a solution

I think he is done on NSC. Got sloppy.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Of course it's going to fail. I'm dying for a Rwanda fan to tell us how it's going to actually work ?

But to be fair, 7 years on, i'm still waiting for a Brexit fan to tell us how the Northern Ireland border is actually going to work

I can't help you on the latter as it was never going to work. I can't really help you in the former either, but it's frustrating because it should have been able to work. Of course the Tories are going way too far now trying to force it through by smashing international law, but the overall concept made sense.