Probably right and heard an interview with Owen Smith recently and he seemed to have some good ideas.
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Probably right and heard an interview with Owen Smith recently and he seemed to have some good ideas.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
You're meant to take this SERIOUSLY not POST comedy, I do the GAGS round here
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I'd imagine that a Smith victory would re-invigorate the PLP like nothing else and they'd be highly motivated. Hilary Benn would run rings around Boris Johnson.
David Miliband is not yesterday's man: he's the day before yesterday's man. Whenever I see someone suggest him as a possible leader of the Labour Party, I know that I'm dealing with someone who has paid no real attention to British politics in the past few years.
What's interesting is who's going to be next. I'm not convinced Corbyn will be leader at the next GE, I think he wants to push some constitutional changes through and step aside for someone else, someone younger and a better leader.
Someone mentioned Clive Lewis earlier and that's a good shout. I wouldn't rule out Stella Creasy though - they may well pick a woman and while she's not from the left of the party, she's very good at socially led campaigns
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Lewis is a great shout although I think you're wrong about Corbyn wanting to step aside, especially after winning what will probably be 2 landslide victories. That interview with Owen Jones didn't give the impression of a man who felt too old or not up to it. I can easily see him believing his own hype and I think a crucial player in this is John McDonnell. He seems to have been the one to have been the key player in making sure Corbyn didn't quit after the recent mass resignations. Ironically, I also think McDonnell is also Corbyn's biggest electoral liability with his extremely questionable associations, political views and comments.
Yeah possibly, it was only a hunch that he could quit. But, as you said, there was speculation a few weeks ago that he was ready to give it up and McDonnell talked him out of it - that doesn't sound to me like someone set to go on ... no matter what.
Will two landslide victories for Corbyn be a vote for him or his policies. If he thinks it's the latter, he may well think he's done enough. I really have no idea though, my guess was based on nothing but gut feeling
alfredmizen
Banned
- Mar 11, 2015
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Why would you give a Fvck ? You're a cheerleader for a man who actively supported people who blew up your hometown, let alone your country.
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
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Actually Ernest we usually agree on so many political issues but on this we differ. Why would you give **** whether ''we'' can defend the Falkland Islands or cut the defence Budget. The UK is a great country to live and we have so many liberties that are not afforded to other people around the world.
However, gone are the days where you have to sit in a class where the teacher says ''everything in pink on that map belongs to us'' It doesn't. It never did. ''We'' are born, we live our lives and then we die. During the course of that time, we perhaps own our house. We own the clothes on our back, we own the items in our home and the food we put in our bellies and perhaps a car along the way. Even a fridge freezer or a CD collection. Perhaps a computer and even maybe a time share in the Algarve.
BUT
Beyond that we probably own nothing. We came with nothing and sure as hell we will leave with nothing that we didn't arrive with. Perhaps with the exception of a few fillings in our teeth and we didn't even arrive with teeth but beyond that......Nothing.
That map with the pink bits filled in is a myth
- Apr 5, 2014
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Yes, I went too. All very pleasant.
The Merry Prankster
Pactum serva
And yet this evening he mentioned neither of those but spoke about social housing, jobs, regeneration, wages and workers right and the NHS all of which have a lot to do with the day to day lives of working class people.
Sounds like a promise from Natalie Bennett. We'd all like to see more homes, but the PM doesn't have the power (money and planning permission) to provide half a million new homes. It's an empty promise.
Equality should be equality, not 'equality particularly for me'.
What are the percentages for all other disabilities?
Can you provide evidence that people with autism are being left behind more than those with all other disabilities?
The event sold out in hours on Sunday. Over 1,000 inside but anticipating hundreds or thousands more outside like we saw in Leeds and Liverpool[/
Hardly like Leeds or Liverpool was it!
Neville's Breakfast
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That's great and if those issues plus renationalization of the railways are to be the focus of his policy platform then he may get my vote. Unfortunately the next time I see him banging on about open borders and pacifism he will lose my vote.
janee
Fur half
I went to the Metropole mostly because I don't feel I have any way of hearing what he stands for such is the media bias and the knee jerk dismissal.
He spoke well and seemed curiously unradical. He said he didn't get how reducing firefighters and closing fire stations would make us safer, he talked about the false economies of the housing cuts for children changing schools every six months when tenancies end.
He spoke well and seemed curiously unradical. He said he didn't get how reducing firefighters and closing fire stations would make us safer, he talked about the false economies of the housing cuts for children changing schools every six months when tenancies end.
Neville's Breakfast
Well-known member
I think the argument that the media is biased against JC is quite simply propaganda. He condemns himself out of his own mouth by behaving like a student politician. Journalists don't distort his views on immigration and nuclear disarmament. I'm sure the hall last night was filled with well meaning middle class socialists who love to campaign on single issues. The problem is that to win a General Election he will need to get the vote of people like me, people who believe that the first duty of a leader of a community is to defend that community. He is a pacifist which means the country would be in danger if he were PM. When I see the placards at the anti Byron Burger demo I think these people want open borders; Jeremy Corbyn issue. Illegal workers depress wages and artificially increase company profits ie they are a capitalists dream. The left should be condemning illegal workers but JC and his army of middle class away with the fairies do -gooders do the opposite. Labour needs the votes of people like me who want a progressive government but with JC in charge they are unlikely to get it.
Really? Two independent academic research projects and a former BBC exec think differently
http://www.mediareform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Corbynresearch.pdf
http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/12/bbc-bias-labour-sir-michael-lyons
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Don't you just love that word "independent" - it has that lovely ring to it, that the good folk really had truly open minds, and you hear it so often. Many years ago whilst studying, I appealed about a mark given to me, and the matter was referred to an "independent" marker, who agreed with the original mark. I accepted that, as there really was little I could do, but later found out that the "independent" person was the other lecturer on the course . .
And fancy a former BBC exec agreeing!
After last night's meeting I overheard a conversation by 3 people within the labour party, one may have been a journalist. I don't know who they were but they were making reference to someone called Rebecca Masson. Not sure if that spelling is correct. Does anyone know who this might be ?
Neville's Breakfast
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I opened one of the links and one of the first things it mentioned was that the media overwhelmingly sought to question JC's leadership credentials from the moment he was elected. There is a good reason for that: we cannot have a leader who is a pacifist. The rest of his views are irrelevant as he is only qualified to head a student union, not a country. The media did not make up these views. He condemns himself every time he associates with the latest fashionable middle class pressure group or announces to the world that he would not fight to defend our country. How are we supposed to create a fair society and look after the most vulnerable if we are undefended. He displays staggering naivety about the world. The media are simply highlighting these uncomfortable truths that the Corbynistas would like us not to talk about. I repeat: I am a left of centre believer in a just society. When I listen to JC speak I do not wish to vote for him. My view is basis his statements, not filtered through the media. He has very little understanding of the views of working class people and with respect the fact that he gets a good hearing in Brighton or London Labour circles is largely irrelevant to the rest of the country.