daveyboy1973
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the difference was that gus inherited shit...... oscar hasnt
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The honeymoon is over now......
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I think there are a few issues at play
-The acrimonious end to our last manager, especially given how we played and where we finished in the table was always going to leave a pressure behind. Some people will accept anything in football as long as you get the job done. Drink drive and kill a child? So what, can you play? Beat up women? Pfft, bitches be cray-cray, what's your goal rate like? Getting rid of someone who achieved success always means success is demanded of whoever follows. Why get rid of someone who is getting it done, to replace them with someone who can't at least equal him
-The eternal optimism of some people has been challenged by reality. How many times have people posted that the squad is stronger than it was last season? I think people are starting to realise it's not quite there yet. Practice, players getting used to each other etc. that all effects how good a squad is and that is why our team is weaker.
-"It's an evolution not a revolution" has led to people thinking there's not a lot new for players to have to get used to, that it would be an easy progression from gus's defensive possession style to a garcia attacking possession style. It's not been and will continue to not be that smooth. Some times it will click better than others.
-Results masking performances. I'm not sure we've really controlled a game this season, and that includes a couple of times we've had a one man advantage over our opponents. We've been comfortable in possession, but that's been because our opponents stand off us. Given that, I suppose it's a ironic that I actually thought we were comfortably in control for the first 42 minutes, but that we were also awful. We had no basic skills, no one could trap the ball, ulloa apparently couldn't run with it at his feet, passes going astray, no one able to bring it under control in the box.
Yes this is a mid table season, because it is a transition one. The evolution is going to take time, there are stronger teams. The team need to get used to each other as well as the new style of play, Oscar needs to get to know every thing. We might make a late assault on the play offs if things come together, but we shouldn't hold our breaths.
-The acrimonious end to our last manager, especially given how we played and where we finished in the table was always going to leave a pressure behind. Some people will accept anything in football as long as you get the job done. Drink drive and kill a child? So what, can you play? Beat up women? Pfft, bitches be cray-cray, what's your goal rate like? Getting rid of someone who achieved success always means success is demanded of whoever follows. Why get rid of someone who is getting it done, to replace them with someone who can't at least equal him
-The eternal optimism of some people has been challenged by reality. How many times have people posted that the squad is stronger than it was last season? I think people are starting to realise it's not quite there yet. Practice, players getting used to each other etc. that all effects how good a squad is and that is why our team is weaker.
-"It's an evolution not a revolution" has led to people thinking there's not a lot new for players to have to get used to, that it would be an easy progression from gus's defensive possession style to a garcia attacking possession style. It's not been and will continue to not be that smooth. Some times it will click better than others.
-Results masking performances. I'm not sure we've really controlled a game this season, and that includes a couple of times we've had a one man advantage over our opponents. We've been comfortable in possession, but that's been because our opponents stand off us. Given that, I suppose it's a ironic that I actually thought we were comfortably in control for the first 42 minutes, but that we were also awful. We had no basic skills, no one could trap the ball, ulloa apparently couldn't run with it at his feet, passes going astray, no one able to bring it under control in the box.
Yes this is a mid table season, because it is a transition one. The evolution is going to take time, there are stronger teams. The team need to get used to each other as well as the new style of play, Oscar needs to get to know every thing. We might make a late assault on the play offs if things come together, but we shouldn't hold our breaths.
If TB really wants the Premiership asap arguably we would have seen a little more investment this season .... IN STRIKERS, who as far as I am aware tend to score goals and win games. We now have just Barnes. How have things been allowed to come to this?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
i'm afraid some have...we had the same sort of comment after the Ipswich game and then about ten games at least were mentioned ..but hey never let the facts get in the way of someones view
Hornblower
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Woah! Cracking post alert! I very much like the cut of your gib sir! Honest, humble and almost apologetic. You really haven't got a clue about how people post on NSC and I like that. Added to which the fact that you are talking unadulterated good sense, if you're looking for disciples, I'm there.
LamieRobertson
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Had a very infalamatory comment to post about JCL's and low expectations, but hey........lucky us in The Championship eh?
daveyboy1973
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last year we finished 4th
? we have the same players so y have we become a mid table team all of a sudden??
LamieRobertson
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
last year we finished 4th
ah if it only one could give a simple answer
oh its not all bad news i had a flutter on wednesday/draw on the ht/ft at 22/1
Well done that man.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Out of interest woody, what are your expectations this season then?
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
We can't live off the cup final for 30 years, three of our recent opponents in this league have won the european cup - it means nothing. Football changed beyond recognition when sky put their money in and anying that happened before that is almost irrelevant. It doesn't matter who thinks we're a big club or a little club, all that matters is what we're up against and realistically we are mid table this season.
Jesus.
In the five games before the last two we had two home wins, one home draw and draws away at QPR &Reading. Only the Millwall game of those was disappointing. We have missed in that time (or are missing) Orlandi, Bridcutt (around who the whole team was built), CMS, Ulloa for part (and may be out for a while longer), Hoskins and for much of it Agustien (though on tonight's Codner-esque performance perhaps not such a miss).
The bloke has had TEN league games in English football and in none of them have we had our full team available. There are questions of course but they are not just for the coach. Why did we not sign Obika before he got injured at his parent club? Who thought Kemi Agustien was a good footballer? Why can we not finish basic simple chances (a trait we also had under Gus)? Why have we given a coach with a butt load of Spanish contacts the cast offs of teams below us in the league? Who thought Bruno was a midfielder? Why did we forget we had a striker on the bench today? And yet only the last two questions are for the coach.
My high level worry isn't about David Burke's ability to find players or Oscar's ability to coach them. It's about David Burke's ability to find Oscar the right players at the right time. Today we missed Orlandi and Bridcutt like I've never seen. Ulloa may be out for weeks / months. It's what we do about it as a club as a whole that will define our season.
In the five games before the last two we had two home wins, one home draw and draws away at QPR &Reading. Only the Millwall game of those was disappointing. We have missed in that time (or are missing) Orlandi, Bridcutt (around who the whole team was built), CMS, Ulloa for part (and may be out for a while longer), Hoskins and for much of it Agustien (though on tonight's Codner-esque performance perhaps not such a miss).
The bloke has had TEN league games in English football and in none of them have we had our full team available. There are questions of course but they are not just for the coach. Why did we not sign Obika before he got injured at his parent club? Who thought Kemi Agustien was a good footballer? Why can we not finish basic simple chances (a trait we also had under Gus)? Why have we given a coach with a butt load of Spanish contacts the cast offs of teams below us in the league? Who thought Bruno was a midfielder? Why did we forget we had a striker on the bench today? And yet only the last two questions are for the coach.
My high level worry isn't about David Burke's ability to find players or Oscar's ability to coach them. It's about David Burke's ability to find Oscar the right players at the right time. Today we missed Orlandi and Bridcutt like I've never seen. Ulloa may be out for weeks / months. It's what we do about it as a club as a whole that will define our season.
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Hornblower
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I think I agree with you but you're making my head hurt. I should go to bed.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Great post & well thought out.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
one had to follow ones gut feeling zeb....talking about guts...that wednesday fan down the front with no top on had a huge one!.
Stuart Munday
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Regardless of what anyone thinks unless we do reasonably well this season I cant see us selling 24 thousand season tickets next season (im sure the price will increase as well).
The issue I have with it is that we heard Oscar was going to play this fast-paced one-touch sort of football. We saw them try and do that first home game against Derby and you could see the players were struggling to adapt.
Give it a few weeks against Millwall and it looked like the players had decided sod that. That's too much like hard work.
Gus's gameplan might not have been loved by everyone but it got results. Oscar seems to have dropped his gameplan and now we haven't got one.
I know it's early days but we seem to have taken 1 step forward and 2 steps back and that worries me.
Give it a few weeks against Millwall and it looked like the players had decided sod that. That's too much like hard work.
Gus's gameplan might not have been loved by everyone but it got results. Oscar seems to have dropped his gameplan and now we haven't got one.
I know it's early days but we seem to have taken 1 step forward and 2 steps back and that worries me.