[Music] The Clash, BBC 4 tonight

[Pogue Mahone]

clash went to the states and sold out , end of thread
regards
DR

Not like you to post utter bollocks.

Oh wait, yes it is.

 

[studio150]

I also loved a lot of Sandinista and Know Your Rights had some great songs - but hasn't dated well.

The first album was a brilliant start, and I 'got' it. But they were much, much more than that.

Thought Know your rights was the lead off single from Combat Rock rather than album in its right. Don't agree with the dating aspect, still play Combat Rock today and to me its still fresh especially on the remaster with the reinstated American TV advert.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Thought Know your rights was the lead off single from Combat Rock rather than album in its right. Don't agree with the dating aspect, still play Combat Rock today and to me its still fresh especially on the remaster with the reinstated American TV advert.

It was, my bad.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Not like you to post utter bollocks.

Oh wait, yes it is.

No point being in denial face up to it, that was the hypocrisy of punk
regards
DR

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

No it wasn't.

I've seen you slate people who liked early Stranglers, but thought they were weaker later - saying those people don't understand what the band was all about. I thought their later stuff was disappointing - does that mean that I can claim that if you like their later stuff you don't 'get' Rattus Norvegicus?

Thought not. Their first album was a moment in time. If they'd rehashed that every year they would barely be remembered now.

slate people who like early Stranglers odd

I'm a regular visitor to a Stranglers forum and there are people on there that don't know the early stuff,they think it all started with Golden Brown,I wouldn't knock them for that

you can't compare yourself to other casual Clash fans,your a diehard

Complete Control,White Riot,London's Burning,Janie Jones,White Man and so on,as I said before downhill from there

they took a different direction after London Calling,completely and it wasn't for me,only a diehard would suggest they got better

 

[Vegas Seagull]

30+ years & Strummer has still not apologised to me for going walkabout in France just before the planned Centre gig...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

they took a different direction after London Calling,completely and it wasn't for me,only a diehard would suggest they got better

I cannot say their latter albums necessarily got better. But I will say they were as good as the first IMHO ; they were also quite different (and were skipping Cut The Crap right?) The easiest thing for them to do was rehash the first album, but they didn't. They grew, evolved, and took onboard everything they were exposed to. A few songs fell flat on their face but this is the risk one takes when trying out new things. Looking back at their career, and the very short space of time they released the 5 five albums, it's nothing short of astonishing really.

 

[chaileyjem]

This doc, and it was magnificent stuff from Temple with great footage, is now on that iPlayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04w08p6

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I cannot say their latter albums necessarily got better. But I will say they were as good as the first IMHO ; they were also quite different (and were skipping Cut The Crap right?) The easiest thing for them to do was rehash the first album, but they didn't. They grew, evolved, and took onboard everything they were exposed to. A few songs fell flat on their face but this is the risk one takes when trying out new things. Looking back at their career, and the very short space of time they released the 5 five albums, it's nothing short of astonishing really.

We are definitely skipping Cut the Crap.

 

[Gwylan]

30+ years & Strummer has still not apologised to me for going walkabout in France just before the planned Centre gig...

I think you're going to have a long wait :-(

I enjoyed the doc though. It reminded me how the music was complete pony and totally wonderful all at the same time. And it also revealed that the Roxy was knocked down - which is why I've never been able to find it

 

[loz]

We are definitely skipping Cut the Crap.

Its a shame the production was so crap as , As "This is England" and "3 card trick" are up there with the best.

But as Crass once sung;

They said that we were trash,
Well the name is Crass, not Clash.
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it's them that take the cash.
They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,
All their RAR badges and their protest walk,
Thousands of white men standing in a park,
Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark.
Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,
So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit.
If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,
You'd see we're all just ------- to the rulers of this land.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

On a similar them I've just started watching the Sonic Highways Foo Fighters series. I must admit I don't care for the band but the series is fascinating. If you don't know, they wrote and recorded each track off the new album in a different US city. Dave Growl investigates the music scene and interviews key players and visits and records at a key studio in the city. I watched the first episode about Chicago, but took a break and sadly there's only Seattle and NYC left on BBC iplayer now. Will have to get the DVD.

 

[Stat Brother]

I've read Chris Salewicz epic tome - Redemption Song The Definitive Biography of Joe Strummer.

I think it was Mick Jones' who'd refer to Strummer along the lines of 'never trust a hippy'.

If you want to take the negative view and say punk was only for the oppressed marginalised yoof then there was certainly a degree of hypocrisy to the privately educated son of a diplomat, Strummer.

But that's not really the case is it?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I've read Chris Salewicz epic tome - Redemption Song The Definitive Biography of Joe Strummer.

I think it was Mick Jones' who'd refer to Strummer along the lines of 'never trust a hippy'.

If you want to take the negative view and say punk was only for the oppressed marginalised yoof then there was certainly a degree of hypocrisy to the privately educated son of a diplomat, Strummer.

But that's not really the case is it?

No, it isn't the case.

As Joe Strummer should have said, but Ian Brown actually did, "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at."

 

[loz]

I've read Chris Salewicz epic tome - Redemption Song The Definitive Biography of Joe Strummer.

I think it was Mick Jones' who'd refer to Strummer along the lines of 'never trust a hippy'.

If you want to take the negative view and say punk was only for the oppressed marginalised yoof then there was certainly a degree of hypocrisy to the privately educated son of a diplomat, Strummer.

But that's not really the case is it?

Being a life long follower of punk (dressed like one from 78 to 85 now just a normal bloke who goes to punk gigs) Punk in the 70s always seemed to be mainly middle class kids who rejected the suit wearing middle class parents they were being dragged up by...although that might just be the lads/lassies i knocked about with in my Surrey village?

Bands like The Stranglers,SLF the Jam and the Members were all very popular with a certain type of middle class yoof.....its only when you got into Oi you saw the more "street punk" side, and as for Crass well they seemed to attract the Bs Cs and upper Ds

*warning* the above might be total Bollox !

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

True. Selling double and triple albums for the price of a single long player isn't the way to chase money, quite the opposite I'd suggest.

Seem to recall something at the time about the release of London Calling and Sandanista! having quite a bit to do with the band trying to extricate themselves from a seven album deal with CBS earlydoors, the theory being that a double album counts as two albums and a triple album counts as three. Might be wrong.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Seem to recall something at the time about the release of London Calling and Sandanista! having quite a bit to do with the band trying to extricate themselves from a seven album deal with CBS earlydoors, the theory being that a double album counts as two albums and a triple album counts as three. Might be wrong.

That is something along the lines that I remember too. But they still sold them at the price of a single LP, thus depriving themselves of much bigger profits.

 

[Peteinblack]

well you clearly know more than me on the finances front

just feel when the Clash went mainstream their music suffered as a conciquence

I loved the early Clash,I think those who liked the latter stuff probably don't really get the first album

Agreed! First album = brilliant

Give 'Em Enough Rope = Very good (apart from the godawful embarrassment of 'Julie's Been Working for the Drug Squad' )

London Calling = some good tracks, but ultimately sprawling all over the place.

Sandinista = I lost interest

Cut the Crap = I wish they had; it was

Saw them live 11 times in total (up until London Calling) - whereas I've seen The Stranglers 23 times

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agreed! First album = brilliant

Give 'Em Enough Rope = Very good (apart from the godawful embarrassment of 'Julie's Been Working for the Drug Squad' )

London Calling = some good tracks, but ultimately sprawling all over the place.

Sandinista = I lost interest

Cut the Crap = I wish they had; it was

Saw them live 11 times in total (up until London Calling) - whereas I've seen The Stranglers 23 times

It's funny how we see things differently. To me, London Calling is their masterpiece. One man's "sprawling" is another man's "rich in variety."

I think we're all agreed on Cut The Crap though

 

[BN9 BHA]

Its a shame the production was so crap as , As "This is England" and "3 card trick" are up there with the best.

But as Crass once sung;

They said that we were trash,
Well the name is Crass, not Clash.
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it's them that take the cash.
They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,
All their RAR badges and their protest walk,
Thousands of white men standing in a park,
Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark.
Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,
So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit.
If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,
You'd see we're all just ------- to the rulers of this land.

Never really got Crass, I listened to them once and didn't rate them at all, they just come across as a load of soap dodgers/ New Age travellers.

I still listen to The Clash, especially the old stuff.

I'm sure if there hadn't been bands like The Clash bands like Crass wouldn't have appeared .
Not really sure how Crass could disrespect The Clash in that song.