[Music] The Clash, BBC 4 tonight

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Gregory2Smith1

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Sep 21, 2011
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lucky enough to see them back in the 70's before they went commerical

remember Joe Strummer getting the hump,refusing a encore saying "you've been spitting at us all night,now go home and spit on your grandmothers"

funny enough had London's Burning stuck in my head all day yesterday

one of those bands that was a must see live
 










Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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Looking forward to this.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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Looking forward to this. I only went to The Roxy a couple of times (and never saw The Clash there) so I wasn't one of the hard core followers - there were a few from Brighton who were there regularly.

Strange thing is: I've walked up and down Neal St umpteen times since but I have no idea where The Roxy was and yet it was centre of the musical world for a few short months
 






Gregory2Smith1

J'les aurai!
Sep 21, 2011
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first album,brilliant top 50 of all time

give em enough rope,okish

london calling,some great tracks but to long winded

after that,not for me

more interested in making money than good edgy music,a little like the Jam

which is of course totally understandable
 


Pogue Mahone

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Apr 30, 2011
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first album,brilliant top 50 of all time

give em enough rope,okish

london calling,some great tracks but to long winded

after that,not for me

more interested in making money than good edgy music,a little like the Jam

which is of course totally understandable

Yep, totally understandable, if this is what they had done. But not a true reflection of what actually happened.

Sandinista was NOT a money making exercise. Know Your Rights ditto. The Clash were one of the biggest bands on the planet, yet they never compromised, never set up huge marketing divisions. They remained true to their 'manifesto', and probably cost themselves millions by doing so.

They evolved, and clearly not in a way that you approved of. They did NOT chase the money.

Great band, great legacy.
 


Gregory2Smith1

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Sep 21, 2011
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Yep, totally understandable, if this is what they had done. But not a true reflection of what actually happened.

Sandinista was NOT a money making exercise. Know Your Rights ditto. The Clash were one of the biggest bands on the planet, yet they never compromised, never set up huge marketing divisions. They remained true to their 'manifesto', and probably cost themselves millions by doing so.

They evolved, and clearly not in a way that you approved of. They did NOT chase the money.

Great band, great legacy.

well you clearly know more than me on the finances front

just feel when the Clash went mainstream their music suffered as a conciquence

I loved the early Clash,I think those who liked the latter stuff probably don't really get the first album
 




Herr Tubthumper

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They did NOT chase the money.

True. Selling double and triple albums for the price of a single long player isn't the way to chase money, quite the opposite I'd suggest.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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I loved the early Clash,I think those who liked the latter stuff probably don't really get the first album

Possibly. But I also feel that the vast majority who got the first album stuck with them through their journey.
 


Pogue Mahone

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well you clearly know more than me on the finances front

just feel when the Clash went mainstream their music suffered as a conciquence

I loved the early Clash,I think those who liked the latter stuff probably don't really get the first album

That's a big leap to make. I first saw The Clash in 1977, and loved that first album. The second album was good, but London Calling blew me away.

I also loved a lot of Sandinista and Know Your Rights had some great songs - but hasn't dated well.

I saw them live many times, and they were always fantastic. They improved, in my opinion, quite substantially.

The first album was a brilliant start, and I 'got' it. But they were much, much more than that.
 








Gregory2Smith1

J'les aurai!
Sep 21, 2011
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That's a big leap to make. I first saw The Clash in 1977, and loved that first album. The second album was good, but London Calling blew me away.

I also loved a lot of Sandinista and Know Your Rights had some great songs - but hasn't dated well.

I saw them live many times, and they were always fantastic. They improved, in my opinion, quite substantially.

The first album was a brilliant start, and I 'got' it. But they were much, much more than that.

I know what your saying,I'm the same with the Stranglers,but I would admit after The Raven album (1979) they produced alot of good stuff,but never reached the dizzy heights of the early days

your clearly a massive Clash fan,more so than people who jumped on the bandwagon from the Bankrobber single
 


Pogue Mahone

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probably,but it was downhill from there

No it wasn't.

I've seen you slate people who liked early Stranglers, but thought they were weaker later - saying those people don't understand what the band was all about. I thought their later stuff was disappointing - does that mean that I can claim that if you like their later stuff you don't 'get' Rattus Norvegicus?

Thought not. Their first album was a moment in time. If they'd rehashed that every year they would barely be remembered now.
 








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