Take Your Hat Off

[5 Zero]

You are. I respond to the bits I feel like responding to and ignore the crap insults you keep throwing my way

The idea that something isn't right at Palace is shared by many. So you don't like to think it's true, fine.
Yes there is, he left. Now it is possible he left for money, but if he was really happy with everything at Palace (owners, future funding etc) I doubt he'd have left. He could have got a good pay rise at Palace by getting them promoted, or even just finishing in the play-offs.
Indeed, but with Palace in 4th and being, in your opinion, an excellent side, and Bolton in 18th, why would he think that? Perhaps because you need to sell Zaha, I don't know. But if all was well, surely Palace would be more likely to get promotion than Bolton.

If you read the posts from disgruntled fans here, they're not from JCLs, they're from people that have been going for years.
It's difficult to tell the difference between you and Seaside. A few of you have banged on about how great he was, so you're saying you weren't one of them, fine.

I respond to the bits I feel like responding to

The above clearly shows that you can't have a reasoned debate, you just see what you want to see, it shows you are deluded, arrogant and you can't be taken serious. That's why i 'insulted' you by calling you a dullard, because you are exactly that, dull! Your always one of the first to post on the Palace threads on here (and in great detail) so it's pretty obvious that you harbour a real bitterness about my club deep down. I get the impression you would get more satisfaction from seeing Palace lose on a Saturday than Brighton getting a win! So in a way i can understand why you wouldn't want to acknowlegde our acheivements, on the pitch we are superior than you and boy, you can tell it hurts you!

But if all was well, surely Palace would be more likely to get promotion than Bolton.

As i stated before, picture yourself in the same shoes, you may be happy at your present employee and feel it's a company that is run well but if a similar company came in and offered you 3 times your present wage and some better prospects, i'm sure you would, reluctently, leave or at least consider it.

Your point about Bolton not having a better chance of promotion than us in ludicrious, they were many pundits and most bookies favourites at the start of the season. When Freedman left us the gap was only 6 points, it's only after our win and their lose at the weekend that it has widen even more but he'd gone by then anyway. We do have an excellent side IMO, but so do a lot of other clubs in this extremeley tight division, i'd say 15 sides have a chance at promotion this year.

And just look at Bolton's squad, it is filled with Premiership quality, Kevin and Mark Davies, Knight, Holden, Lee, Andrews, Ngog, Mills, i could go on. They also have the parachute payments from the Premiership which is a huge amount of money, a better stadium and when you add the large increase in salary that Dougie was offered in a way its understandable he left. Your trying to make it seem like he couldn't wait to get away as Palace is an accident waiting to happen but in reality that's not the case, we are a very attractive prospect currently. A lot of Palace are upset because of his recent past comments rather than his actual leaving because, as i have already stated, he said he wouldn't leave a job half done and has made hypocritical statements about how our youngsters shouldn't jump at the first sign of a pay day with a Prem club.

Perhaps because you need to sell Zaha, I don't know.

Where is there any indication that we NEED to sell Zaha? Parish has said in the last month that if we are around the play-offs come January then we will not sell. Wilf still has over 4 years of his contract left and has stated in recent interviews that he is very happy here so the ball is in our court for once.

If you read the posts from disgruntled fans here, they're not from JCLs, they're from people that have been going for years. It's difficult to tell the difference between you and Seaside. A few of you have banged on about how great he was, so you're saying you weren't one of them, fine.

I doubt many said he was amazing, Seaside tends to go OTT on a lot of things, though at other times he makes some decent points. There are plenty of digruntled fans on here and i find some of the Gus out comments hilarious, football fans at all clubs are so fickle. I won't lie, I'm enjoying your dreadful run and lack of goals as much as the next Palace fan. And long may it continue!

 

[Triggaaar]

I respond to the bits I feel like responding to

The above clearly shows that you can't have a reasoned debate, you just see what you want to see, it shows you are deluded, arrogant and you can't be taken serious.

Reasoned debate? You're just a fan boy posting crap, this isn't the presidential elections. But even if it was, a candidate will choose what to respond to. I don't have to reply to every one of your comments, and you don't respond to mine.

Your always one of the first to post on the Palace threads on here (and in great detail) so it's pretty obvious that you harbour a real bitterness about my club deep down.

Not at all. When I went to Selhurst last year I shared a lift with a Palace supporting mate. Like a few of the Palace posters on here (that doesn't include you), he can see the good and the bad about Palace. I like posting on Palace threads, so I do.

I get the impression you would get more satisfaction from seeing Palace lose on a Saturday than Brighton getting a win! So in a way i can understand why you wouldn't want to acknowlegde our acheivements

Eh? My first post in this thread was to say I thought Palace deserved credit for doing well so far. You're just posting crap again.

on the pitch we are superior than you and boy, you can tell it hurts you!

You have delusions of grandeur.

Your point about Bolton not having a better chance of promotion than us in ludicrious, they were many pundits and most bookies favourites at the start of the season.

Since you want to go on bookie odds, before Dougie left Palace were shorter odds to get promoted than Bolton, so it's hardly ludicrous is it.

When Freedman left us the gap was only 6 points

It's funny how you think 6 points is nothing when it suits your argument, but you think you're miles better than us when you're only 5 points ahead.

Where is there any indication that we NEED to sell Zaha? Parish has said in the last month that if we are around the play-offs come January then we will not sell.

He also said Bolton were refused permission to speak to Dougie.

There are plenty of digruntled fans on here and i find some of the Gus out comments hilarious

Likewise. If you read who is making those comments though, it's not JCLs.

 

[5 Zero]

Reasoned debate? You're just a fan boy posting crap, this isn't the presidential elections. But even if it was, a candidate will choose what to respond to. I don't have to reply to every one of your comments, and you don't respond to mine.

Not at all. When I went to Selhurst last year I shared a lift with a Palace supporting mate. Like a few of the Palace posters on here (that doesn't include you), he can see the good and the bad about Palace. I like posting on Palace threads, so I do.

Eh? My first post in this thread was to say I thought Palace deserved credit for doing well so far. You're just posting crap again.

You have delusions of grandeur.

Since you want to go on bookie odds, before Dougie left Palace were shorter odds to get promoted than Bolton, so it's hardly ludicrous is it.

It's funny how you think 6 points is nothing when it suits your argument, but you think you're miles better than us when you're only 5 points ahead.

He also said Bolton were refused permission to speak to Dougie.

Likewise. If you read who is making those comments though, it's not JCLs.

I don't have to reply to every one of your comments.

As i said, you just reply to the one's that you want to. Even your sig is negative about Palace, having to now focus on off-field issues. Bitter.

I like posting on Palace threads, so I do.

I know you do. Cause you're obssessed with us.


You have delusions of grandeur.

Nope, just know that we are a decent side and a hell of a lot better than most on here think.

Since you want to go on bookie odds, before Dougie left Palace were shorter odds to get promoted than Bolton, so it's hardly ludicrous is it.

I've explained why your comment was ludcrious, but as usual you choose to ignore those points because you have no comeback to it. You really are pathetic!

It's funny how you think 6 points is nothing when it suits your argument, but you think you're miles better than us when you're only 5 points ahead.

Again, where have i once said i think we are miles better than you. I think we are better than you by about 4 players but not the huge gulf that you are referring to. And the table doesn't lie.


He also said Bolton were refused permission to speak to Dougie.

They were refused permission but Bolton then came back and meet a release clause in his contract. Then we had to legally let him speak to them. You know you really should get your facts straight cause your making yourself look like you don't know what your talking about now!

Likewise. If you read who is making those comments though, it's not JCLs

It's a mixture. The fact that you say a lot of long term/hardcore fans are suggesting a change in management shows that you really are crap at the moment because they are less liking to jump the gun and over react than when compared with a plastic or a JCL. Boring boring Brighton!

 

[Triggaaar]

I know you do. Cause you're obssessed with us.

You're the one on your rivals forum. I've never posted on the Palace site.

I've explained why your comment was ludcrious, but as usual you choose to ignore those points because you have no comeback to it.

One of your points was that the bookies had Bolton as one of the favourites to go up. It seems sensible to look at those odds when Dougie decided to leave Palace for Bolton. So how is that ignoring your points?

Again, where have i once said i think we are miles better than you.

You think you're promotion candidates, and we're mid table at best.

He also said Bolton were refused permission to speak to Dougie.[/B]
They were refused permission but Bolton then came back and meet a release clause in his contract. Then we had to legally let him speak to them. You know you really should get your facts straight cause your making yourself look like you don't know what your talking about now!

So you know for a fact that there's no such clause in Zaha's contract?

It's a mixture. The fact that you say a lot of long term/hardcore fans are suggesting a change in management shows that you really are crap at the moment

It's not a mixture, and I didn't say a lot of long term/hardcore fans want a change in management. You said that a lot of JCLs were moaning, and I said the people moaning are not JCLs. That doesn't mean that a lot of people want Gus out, that's clearly not the case.

 

[Mellotron]

This. Rivalry yes but credit where credit is due. A colleague is a palace fan and we exchange banter but credit is exchanged both ways. We are grown up and don't need the stupid vile abuse nonsense. But then we see that in the playground every day so consider ourselves above it.

Erm, probably best not to admit that - at 44 - you hang out in playgrounds every day...

 

[elbowpatches]

Erm, probably best not to admit that - at 44 - you hang out in playgrounds every day...

How dare you?





44 I'm not 40 yet.

(serious note - I am deputy headteacher hence playground reference, not someone who just hangs about playgrounds)

 

[TheMajor]

5 Zero takes over Seasides mantle as chief Palace bullshitter

If Palace are so great at the moment why do you average less than 14k Palace fans at home and your manager walks away? Either you aren't so great or your support is shit - which is it ?

 

[5 Zero]

You're the one on your rivals forum. I've never posted on the Palace site.

One of your points was that the bookies had Bolton as one of the favourites to go up. It seems sensible to look at those odds when Dougie decided to leave Palace for Bolton. So how is that ignoring your points?

You think you're promotion candidates, and we're mid table at best.

So you know for a fact that there's no such clause in Zaha's contract?

It's not a mixture, and I didn't say a lot of long term/hardcore fans want a change in management. You said that a lot of JCLs were moaning, and I said the people moaning are not JCLs. That doesn't mean that a lot of people want Gus out, that's clearly not the case.

You're the one on your rivals forum. I've never posted on the Palace site.

99% of the time I stick to the Palace threads on here but you're always on the Palace threads so don't give me that one, if anything you are worse. This place at times is like a 2nd BBS with the amount of Palace obsessed threads, 9/10 times started by Albion fans.


One of your points was that the bookies had Bolton as one of the favourites to go up. It seems sensible to look at those odds when Dougie decided to leave Palace for Bolton. So how is that ignoring your points?

But i listed the salary he would be getting, the squad of players he would be inheriting, the better stadium and the parachute payments but you choose to ignore all them and just focus on the bookies odds. You totally fail to acknowledge these important aspects so that's why I can't take you seriously.


You think you're promotion candidates, and we're mid table at best.

Again, where have i said that?? 2 posts ago i said that i believe 15 teams have a chance of promotion this season and i include both our sides in that. I just think we have a better chance currently as IMO our team is slightly stronger than yours.


So you know for a fact that there's no such clause in Zaha's contract?

Of course i don't know that but it would be a bit foolish of the club to be saying Zaha is worth £20 million if he had an £8 million release clause. Whatever way you look at it, we are going to get big for money for him or he will stay in our team for a couple more seasons and you hate that thought because it means our chances of continued success are higher.



It's not a mixture, and I didn't say a lot of long term/hardcore fans want a change in management. You said that a lot of JCLs were moaning, and I said the people moaning are not JCLs. That doesn't mean that a lot of people want Gus out, that's clearly not the case.

Of course its a mixture, are you saying that not 1 JCL or plastic has posted about the subject then? I agree, at the minute its only a smallish number that want Gus out but its still enough for there to be a negative feeling around the place and i feel a lot of fans are sitting on the fence and waiting to see how the next few games go. I'd imagine if you lose to Leeds on Friday and fail to score again, quite a few will be booing and more people will be wanting Poyet out.

 

[Triggaaar]

99% of the time I stick to the Palace threads on here but you're always on the Palace threads

I post on lots of threads. But I confess, do enjoy pointing out the bullshit in your posts :guilty:

But i listed the salary he would be getting, the squad of players he would be inheriting, the better stadium and the parachute payments

Yes you did, but those points seem less relevant: the squad and parachute payments would be taken into account by the bookies odds wouldn't they. And you go on about what great players you have, and other Palace fans keep telling us how they have 4 billionaire owners, so what if Bolton have Parachute payments? And Bolton have a better stadium, is that really a good reason for a manager to go? If Dougie went for money, that is understandable from him point of view, but why the hell would Palace not try to keep him with a better contract offer, given how well he was doing.

You think you're promotion candidates, and we're mid table at best.

Again, where have i said that??

Here:

If we can get a decent manager in to replace Greedman then we will be in or around the play-offs come May. You lot also have a massive delusion about your own team when in reality your gonna be top 10 at best, mark my words.

So you know for a fact that there's no such clause in Zaha's contract?

Of course i don't know that but it would be a bit foolish of the club to be saying Zaha is worth £20 million if he had an £8 million release clause.

That wouldn't be foolish, Palace (understandably) want as much money as they can get, so they keep trying to push the price up. If they ask for £20m but get £8m, there was no harm in asking. The fact is, we don't know what clauses Zaha has, just like we didn't know what clauses Dougie had. We don't know whether Zaha will go in Jan or later, or for how much. It seems silly for Palace fans to keep stating as fact that he won't be going for less than <insert ever increasing figure>. There's a history of Palace fans getting these things wrong, like Clyne only going to a top 4 club.

Whatever way you look at it, we are going to get big for money for him or he will stay in our team for a couple more seasons and you hate that thought because it means our chances of continued success are higher.

Are you an angry person? You keep trying to project your feelings onto me. Palace are on a great run at the moment, and above us in the table. I wish they weren't, but I don't hate it. Zaha is a great talent, but I don't hate that (maybe he's a future England star, which would be great). Do you hate that we have a better stadium than you, and more fans than you, and more income (which equals more spending power) than you? A bit envious, yes, but I wouldn't expect you to hate it, so why do you think I hate all these Palace things you look up to? Do you have any concept of reality? Brighton were swindled out of their ground 15 years ago, and we had to scrape by for over a decade, staying in the football league by the skin of our teeth. Now look at us, it's f***ing amazing, and you think I hate that you've got a player that's good when he can stay on his feet? You're bonkers.

Of course its a mixture, are you saying that not 1 JCL or plastic has posted about the subject then?

Plastics don't tend to post on here. And the posts I've seen of people moaning have been by long term posters. If it's just 1 JCL that agrees, that hardly makes it a mixture of fans. But who cares, like you say, fans are fickle.

 

[5 Zero]

I post on lots of threads. But I confess, do enjoy pointing out the bullshit in your posts :guilty:

Yes you did, but those points seem less relevant: the squad and parachute payments would be taken into account by the bookies odds wouldn't they. And you go on about what great players you have, and other Palace fans keep telling us how they have 4 billionaire owners, so what if Bolton have Parachute payments? And Bolton have a better stadium, is that really a good reason for a manager to go? If Dougie went for money, that is understandable from him point of view, but why the hell would Palace not try to keep him with a better contract offer, given how well he was doing.


Here:


That wouldn't be foolish, Palace (understandably) want as much money as they can get, so they keep trying to push the price up. If they ask for £20m but get £8m, there was no harm in asking. The fact is, we don't know what clauses Zaha has, just like we didn't know what clauses Dougie had. We don't know whether Zaha will go in Jan or later, or for how much. It seems silly for Palace fans to keep stating as fact that he won't be going for less than <insert ever increasing figure>. There's a history of Palace fans getting these things wrong, like Clyne only going to a top 4 club.

Are you an angry person? You keep trying to project your feelings onto me. Palace are on a great run at the moment, and above us in the table. I wish they weren't, but I don't hate it. Zaha is a great talent, but I don't hate that (maybe he's a future England star, which would be great). Do you hate that we have a better stadium than you, and more fans than you, and more income (which equals more spending power) than you? A bit envious, yes, but I wouldn't expect you to hate it, so why do you think I hate all these Palace things you look up to? Do you have any concept of reality? Brighton were swindled out of their ground 15 years ago, and we had to scrape by for over a decade, staying in the football league by the skin of our teeth. Now look at us, it's f***ing amazing, and you think I hate that you've got a player that's good when he can stay on his feet? You're bonkers.

Plastics don't tend to post on here. And the posts I've seen of people moaning have been by long term posters. If it's just 1 JCL that agrees, that hardly makes it a mixture of fans. But who cares, like you say, fans are fickle.

I post on lots of threads. But I confess, do enjoy pointing out the bullshit in your posts :guilty:

Bullshit? I think you're the one that spouts 'bullshit' hence you are forced into ignoring 90% of my points because you have no come back to them deep down.


Yes you did, but those points seem less relevant: the squad and parachute payments would be taken into account by the bookies odds wouldn't they. And you go on about what great players you have, and other Palace fans keep telling us how they have 4 billionaire owners, so what if Bolton have Parachute payments? And Bolton have a better stadium, is that really a good reason for a manager to go? If Dougie went for money, that is understandable from him point of view, but why the hell would Palace not try to keep him with a better contract offer, given how well he was doing.

Oh dear, now you are really coming across as silly. So you think because now the bookies are making us slight favourites to get promotion ahead of Bolton means that Dougie shouldn't have left us? Seriously you are mad!!! The way you go on about bookies, you would think that everything they predict is set in stone and will transpire. We all know that's not the case in reality. Were we heavy favourites when we won at the Amex last year? No, we were 5/1. Same when we beat Man United at Old Trafford? No, we were 14/1.

We do have good players but on paper i would say Bolton have one of the best squads, if not the best squad, in the entire division, it is filled with Premiership quality.

We do have very rich owners but they will not spend all there money on the club, that is there personal choice and i respect that. Not all clubs have owners who spend there money as if its a game of Football Manager.

Stadium is part of it, you lot go on about how amazing yours is all the time and how it's one of the key factors that now makes you a bigger club.

We did offer him a new contract as confirmed by CPFC2010 on the BBS. But we weren't willing to pay the huge amount that Bolton where and i don't blame the owners for that. 1 amazing 8 game run aside his tenure was pretty average and no way did he deserve the £500,000 a year that Bolton are paying him based on his record with us.

In regards to promotion, i said if we can get in a decent manager then we will be up there. I do see you as a top 10 side currently but i admit, with a bit of luck or some decent additions in January then you could also make the play-offs so i take back my previous comment, it was said in the heat of the moment.

That wouldn't be foolish, Palace (understandably) want as much money as they can get, so they keep trying to push the price up. If they ask for £20m but get £8m, there was no harm in asking

Most clubs will know whether a player has a release clause, the agents of the player would be easily obtainable. If the player wanted a move then there's not much the club could do but i feel that Wilf really does want to stay with us for a bit longer. It would be crazy for Parish to quote such a huge price and then for us to sell at half that, the fans would demand to know where the money had gone if it wasn't being clearly reinvested in the club and the playing squad.

You keep trying to project your feelings onto me. Palace are on a great run at the moment, and above us in the table. I wish they weren't, but I don't hate it.

So why do you crop up on evey single Palace thread? I saw you on another one yesterday posting rubbish about our time in administrations.

Anyway, this is the last time I will respond to you, its all getting very boring now and i get the impression you would argue with me till the end of time and you obviously can't have a rational debate as you only see what you want to see.

 

[TheMajor]

Anyway, this is the last time I will respond to you, its all getting very boring now and i get the impression you would argue with me till the end of time and you obviously can't have a rational debate as you only see what you want to see.

 

[5 Zero]

Don't forget me 5 Zero, i'm actually far worse than Triggaaar and the ultimate attention seeking, deluded, see what i want to see, hooligan wannabee on this site! Look at me, LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!

EFA

 

[TheMajor]

EFA