There's not a weather prediction system in existance that can predict as far ahead as the Villa match... they have trouble doing more than 4 days in advance...
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Snow to continue into the next few weeks?
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There's not a weather prediction system in existance that can predict as far ahead as the Villa match... they have trouble doing more than 4 days in advance...
RexCathedra
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The Gulf Stream has forked, and half of it is going up between Labrador and Greenland, instead of west towards Ireland and UK.
CliveWalkerWingWizard
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Oh FFS! Climate change-deniers are the new flat-earthers. I suppose these people still believe in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy?
Firstly, all temperature statistics have shown incontrovertibly that recent summers globally have been hotter than previously, and have shown a steady increase on the first half of the 20th Century (just because OUR summers haven't been hot, doesn't mean that the rest of the world hasn't had exceptionally hot summers, along with increasing instances of drought, crop failures, forest fires, etc).
Secondly, there is a difference between 'weather' and 'climate' - weather is a short-term occurrence, whereas climate is long-term. A cold winter such as we are experiencing does not mean that OVERALL, the world's climate hasn't got hotter over the last couple of decades. Imagine someone steadily putting on weight each year, and reaching dangerous levels of obesity - they might lose a couple of pounds occasionally, but overall, there weight is still increasing.
Thirdly, there is the imperialistic British arrogance that if WE aren't experiencing something, then the rest of the world isn't - or if it is, then it doesn't matter, 'cos we Brits are immune to anything south of Dover!
Fourthly, the 'it's all a ploy to screw us for more taxes' suggests acute paranoia, or a Daily Mail mindset - which is pretty much the same thing ('ooohh, everyone's out to get us'). 'They' are sitting down and saying 'oh, I know, lets create a story that the world is rapidly heating up to life-threatening levels, and then we can impose new or higher taxes'. Typically, many of those in the USA who are climate change-denyers tend to have close links with the fuel companies and other corporate groups who want to continue depleting the earth's natural resources, or contributing to greenhouse gas emissions, in order to protect short-term profits - yeah, f*** the long term damage to the environment, let's concentrate on this year's balance sheet and share-holder value.
People often deny climate change because they simply don't want to change their decadent, greedy consumerist (but ultimately unsustainable) Western Lifestyle, which is based around constantly buying the latest fashion items and gadgets, and driving two yards down the road to buy a pint of milk, 'cos they're too lazy and lard-arsed to walk.
Sweeney Todd
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This time last year, our game at Walsall was postponed after a few frosty days.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
To answer the original question, I feel the cold will relent at or just after midweek.
On the wider question regarding climate change, the real question isn't whether Global Warming (GW) has taken place, but to what extent it is Anthroprogenic Global Warming (AGW), in other words caused by us.
The physics behind AGW is sound, as CO2 does produce a positive feedback in terms of global temps, as does water vapour and Methane (far more efficiently than Co2).
It is also true, to play devils advocate that the last decade has produced no measurable global warming, but that is skewed by the 1998 El Nino event.
Papa
On the wider question regarding climate change, the real question isn't whether Global Warming (GW) has taken place, but to what extent it is Anthroprogenic Global Warming (AGW), in other words caused by us.
The physics behind AGW is sound, as CO2 does produce a positive feedback in terms of global temps, as does water vapour and Methane (far more efficiently than Co2).
It is also true, to play devils advocate that the last decade has produced no measurable global warming, but that is skewed by the 1998 El Nino event.
Papa
I take it your personal wind farm runs your computer and internet access?
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Quite right too.
Why would anyone listen to scientists with all their mumbo jumbo when we have you around.
Of course for your theory to have any relevance at all, whatsoever, then you would expect all the scientists in the United States who rely almost entirely on funding from big business to have concluded that burning all the earths fossil fuels would have absolutely no negative side effects for the atmosphere and it is fine to drive around in massive dirty cars whilst towing a trailer full of burning tyres forever.
Oh...hang on...they did'nt.
keaton
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I agree. Also everybody keeps banging on about unemployment, but no-one at my work's unemployed
The Gulf Stream has forked, and half of it is going up between Labrador and Greenland, instead of west towards Ireland and UK.
We're f***ed if that's true... is it true?!
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Surely there would have been some mention of it in the media if that was going on?
Thats the only thing preventing us having the same climate as Oslo...shit, that means every winter the schools will shut for weeks on end and we'll have 24 hour rolling news reports about how we have no road grit or Gas supplies.
shit.
supaseagull
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Worse still...Does that mean we'll have to have regular interviews with Stormin Norman Baker on Sky News
Er, no, we'll be somewhat more f***ed than that. We'll lose half our agriculture for a start. I agree though, seems a bit odd that it hasn't been mentioned in the media?
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
The Gulf Stream has forked, and half of it is going up between Labrador and Greenland, instead of west towards Ireland and UK.
Rex. Where's that chart from?
RexCathedra
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philsussex
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As global warming takes place, the ice sheets will melt. Currents of warm water from the tropics rely on salinity (saltyness) of the water, the warm water, which is less salty, travels up to us and as it cools and evapourates, water to salt rations decreace, causing it to be dencer per cubic meter than the warm water sinking, where it goes back to warm up and become a higher salt to water ration. (Or somthing along those lines. Salt water levels and currents make british weather like it is... basicaly)
If the ice sheets melt, this current and salt balence gets disrupted, meaning that much less warm water will reach us, making all the shit you saw on Day After Tomorrow happen, colder tepratures and shit.
In a nutshell like.
RexCathedra
Aurea Mediocritas
Present phenomenon is based on surface temps, and not on salinity, and is wind-driven more than current-based. It's also periodic, like El Niño in the central Pacific.
The salinity-based scenario that lies behind The Day After Tomorrow is a different mechanism -- but still very worrisome.
It's not always global warming -- I'd like to shoot whoever made that phrase common coin - -it's anthropogenic climate change -- that is the problem.
Mesoscale weather -- results
Synoptic-scale weather -- recent form
Climate -- league table position in May.
The salinity-based scenario that lies behind The Day After Tomorrow is a different mechanism -- but still very worrisome.
It's not always global warming -- I'd like to shoot whoever made that phrase common coin - -it's anthropogenic climate change -- that is the problem.
Mesoscale weather -- results
Synoptic-scale weather -- recent form
Climate -- league table position in May.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Yes of course we all know that...but Global Warming is catchier.
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Unemployment is definately increasing and rapidly!