What a total unmitigated prick.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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That was my hope too. My guess is this is Trump's influence one way or another, but people in his 'team' seem to have no backbone, no morals, no perspective any more.
Shocking stuff, just keep taking their pay cheques.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Or a case of trying to play both sides …
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
I've watched this clip several times. The leader of the free world simply doesn't have the capacity to get the nuances.
Putin is not confused that 'people love Germany and Japan, but hate Russia'. He is TELLING Trump that he is confused. This is not the same thing.
The fact that Trump doesn't understand this, means that he fails to ask the question 'why is he telling me that?'
So the possibility Putin is trying to drive a wedge between the US and Germany/Japan, doesn't even cross his mind.
But just in case Putin really is confused, people love Germany and Japan and hate Russia, because since the tyranny of WW2, Germany and Japan have embraced democracy and have prospered, while Russia has done the opposite.
Putin is not confused that 'people love Germany and Japan, but hate Russia'. He is TELLING Trump that he is confused. This is not the same thing.
The fact that Trump doesn't understand this, means that he fails to ask the question 'why is he telling me that?'
So the possibility Putin is trying to drive a wedge between the US and Germany/Japan, doesn't even cross his mind.
But just in case Putin really is confused, people love Germany and Japan and hate Russia, because since the tyranny of WW2, Germany and Japan have embraced democracy and have prospered, while Russia has done the opposite.
Maybe, but then it would good to hear nice stuff about Ukraine
Poor Putin. It's just his confusion that makes him a genocidal maniac.
crookie
Well-known member
Maybe it's because Germany and Japan haven't invaded anyone and committed horrific atrocities and widespread destruction, assassinations etc, unlike say, Russia ? Shame Trump hasn't the intelligence or maybe even the inclination to understand that and spell it out
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
An interesting manifestation of the paranoia now in Russia. Ukraine has got under Russia's skin.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Not going to happen until Ukraine make a big move on getting back into the crimea. Trump always wants to back a winner.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
This is good.
More pressure on Russia, this time from Sweden inspecting the shadow fleet in the Baltic, backed up with fighter planes.
Now all we need is for Turkey to inspect the shadow fleet operating out of Novorossisysk in the Black Sea, and it will be job done.....
More pressure on Russia, this time from Sweden inspecting the shadow fleet in the Baltic, backed up with fighter planes.
Now all we need is for Turkey to inspect the shadow fleet operating out of Novorossisysk in the Black Sea, and it will be job done.....
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
I would be guessing if I answered that. What we need on here is a drone expert.Why would they do that as a security measure
Maybe it was just to create fear in their population
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
After all the effort they put in to create the sense that they're in control of everything? That would be quite a departure, but then this is Russia and anything is possible. Things can change fast.Maybe it was just to create fear in their population
Did you see the reports of the Z bloggers? They rubbish the official commentary that it was the Brits behind the Spiders Web. They openly say, quite rightly, that it was the Ukrainians, and that they're clever. The official messaging is that Ukrainians are stupid and couldn't have been behind it. This came from Konstantin.
I guess I meant fear in the sense of "it's danger from our enemies...this is us protecting you". But, probably notMaybe it was just to create fear in their population
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
I understand.I guess I meant fear in the sense of "it's danger from our enemies...this is us protecting you". But, probably not
I suspect they were taken by complete surprise by the Spider's web, just as everybody else was. So they are responding with rushed, less-than-coordinated responses. Perhaps this led to the 'official' messaging that the British were behind it (don't want to spread the message that the little Russians can do this), but someone forgot to tell the bloke who runs the Z-bloggers. Hence the mixed messaging. I'm guessing of course.
But anything is possible as Russia continues to come under pressure. We may see more Russian on Russian action such as that in Scappa's post. I've seen unconfirmed reports of troops killing their commanding officers. As discipline breaks down, let's hope it's the beginning of a trend.
Russia currently at the UN criticising Israel for “unprovoked aggression against civilian populations in Iran”, apparently without any sort of irony
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,892
At some point, at some stage in the future, probably after the war is over (if we ever reach that point), I would like to see a really well-considered, well judged attempt at explaining why Russians consistently see a world that doesn't exist, and which is the polar opposite to all the available evidence.