[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

The Cheese-brained Wotsit speaks:

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I’d class that as a self-own and a succinct summary of the entire f***ing problem he’s created.

He's playing with a damp cloth, not fire

 

[raymondo]

Russia: Trump & His Team’s Ties

Despite Russia's harmful national interests against the U.S., and its human rights violations around the world, President Trump and his team are directly and indirectly tied to Russia.

swalwell.house.gov

Hmmm, very widespread at a senior level and deeply inter-twingled. Not surprising in itself maybe, but surprising that the 'defenders of democracy ' have never worked hard enough to stop it.

 

[Bodian]

The Cheese-brained Wotsit speaks:

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I’d class that as a self-own and a succinct summary of the entire f***ing problem he’s created.

You mean he's openly admitting to helping/protecting Russia?

And anyway - I thought it was Zelensky who didn't hold the cards?? In which case - why does Putin/Russia need Trump's help. What is he protecting them from?

 

[Eric the meek]

Is this just the Russians taking the piss? Or is it them distracting attention from agent Krasnov?

Is he impossibly incompetent, a useful idiot or full Krasnov?

 

[GT49er]

The Cheese-brained Wotsit speaks:

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I’d class that as a self-own and a succinct summary of the entire f***ing problem he’s created.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Literally taking the piss out of the Intl community and abusing UN for their sick

Literally taking the piss out of the Intl community and abusing UN for their sick games.

Much of the stuff that comes out of the Kremlin lacks credibility - deliberately. It makes them unpredictable and that’s what they like.

 

[raymondo]

Much of the stuff that comes out of the Kremlin lacks credibility - deliberately. It makes them unpredictable and that’s what they like.

Not unlike Trump in many ways

 

[Eric the meek]

Not unlike Trump in many ways

Yes, that occurred to me as well. The president says one thing, but at the same time he orders the nutters like Medvedev and Zakharova to have a rant. I think it's to wrong foot the opposition.

 

[Eric the meek]

This is of course unacceptable, but I see this as a sign that Russia is concerned.

It really does look like it fears NATO expansion.

See what you think.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is of course unacceptable, but I see this as a sign that Russia is concerned.

It really does look like it fears NATO expansion.

See what you think.

I disagree about Russia fearing Nato expansion, other than their concern it would impact their planned empire rebuild.

 

[Eric the meek]

I disagree about Russia fearing Nato expansion, other than their concern it would impact their planned empire rebuild.

I actually wrote something along those lines a few weeks ago. Russia wants to remove the barriers (NATO) to its further expansion west.

So, while I agree with you, look at what it is asking for, however pie in the sky it is. There is more to this....

It is asking for a pledge, for Ukraine peace, to halt NATO enlargement. Not just Ukraine, but everywhere. What it isn't asking for, is less NATO (even though we agree that is what it really wants). It is asking for no more NATO expansion. It is concerned for its own security.

This is a nuance that isn't obvious. But it's an important one. Beneath the bravado and defiance, Russia thinks it is fighting an existential war. But not for Ukraine. For Russia.

Apologies in advance to anyone who thinks this is wishful thinking.

 

[fly high]

I actually wrote something along those lines a few weeks ago. Russia wants to remove the barriers (NATO) to its further expansion west.

So, while I agree with you, look at what it is asking for, however pie in the sky it is. There is more to this....

It is asking for a pledge, for Ukraine peace, to halt NATO enlargement. Not just Ukraine, but everywhere. What it isn't asking for, is less NATO (even though we agree that is what it really wants). It is asking for no more NATO expansion. It is concerned for its own security.

This is a nuance that isn't obvious. But it's an important one. Beneath the bravado and defiance, Russia thinks it is fighting an existential war. But not for Ukraine. For Russia.

Apologies in advance to anyone who thinks this is wishful thinking.

As Russia is so good at breaking treaties we could always agree then in a few years change our minds. Let's face it no way they will keep any said treaty

 

[papachris]

I actually wrote something along those lines a few weeks ago. Russia wants to remove the barriers (NATO) to its further expansion west.

So, while I agree with you, look at what it is asking for, however pie in the sky it is. There is more to this....

It is asking for a pledge, for Ukraine peace, to halt NATO enlargement. Not just Ukraine, but everywhere. What it isn't asking for, is less NATO (even though we agree that is what it really wants). It is asking for no more NATO expansion. It is concerned for its own security.

This is a nuance that isn't obvious. But it's an important one. Beneath the bravado and defiance, Russia thinks it is fighting an existential war. But not for Ukraine. For Russia.

Apologies in advance to anyone who thinks this is wishful thinking.

I remember not so long ago they wanted former Soviet states like the Baltics to give up NATO. So a slightly different line now. But you just can't trust them.

 

[Triggaaar]

It is asking for a pledge, for Ukraine peace, to halt NATO enlargement. Not just Ukraine, but everywhere. What it isn't asking for, is less NATO (even though we agree that is what it really wants). It is asking for no more NATO expansion. It is concerned for its own security.

I completely disagree. Russia knows they won't be invaded. They pretend to be worried about Nato expansion as justification for their aggression and in an attempt to weaken their neighbours. There are people who actually believe that Nato expansion was part of the reason Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[raymondo]

 

[raymondo]

More details on the Ukraine - Germany defence agreement already announced.

Germany pledges 5 billion euros in new aid to Ukraine, no Taurus missiles announced

The agreement includes direct German investments in Ukraine's defense industry and a broader treaty between Kyiv and German arms manufacturers.

kyivindependent.com

 

[peterward]

Herr Merz ist der Mann

Germany's Merz promises to help Ukraine produce long-range missiles

Friedrich Merz said earlier there were "no longer" any range restrictions on weapons supplied by Kyiv's Western allies.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[raymondo]

I think it's great to have the Pope onside. Must be very stressful for MAGA Catholics.

 

[raymondo]

Ukrainian drones hit Russian drone factories

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Surprise surprise (not).