poor old foxes!

[Icy Gull]

UB: you seem to have as much understanding of the countryside as a labour politician - none.

He's got the same problem understanding why we should get rid of Sven

 

[Uncle Buck]

I expect the law to be as well inforced as speeding and mobile telephones while driving. I.e. not at all or in very specific locations.

UB: you seem to have as much understanding of the countryside as a labour politician - none. I think you are playing with semantics when you use the word humane as in "There are more humane ways of controlling the vermin". As they are vermin, you can poison them, string them up by their testicles or whatever you like to kill them. You other brilliant idea about fences only underlines your complete missunderstanding of this subject. Stick to the old adage and say nothing and be thought a fool rather than confirming that you are.

However your reply is a stock answer of a Countryside Alliance Supporter, 'you townies just do not understand our way of life'.

So a couple of dozen grown men on horses and a pack of hounds chasing one fox around an area of land is effective pest control? I think not.

Surely natures naz.. sorry farmers should first be looking at effective pens to keep the chicken, lambs etc in, that the foxes cannot get out and then look at how to control the pests in an effective manner. That effective manner is not a load of inbred toffs chasing said pest around on a few horses.

At the end of the day the agricultural community is happy to benefit from Government and EU initatives when it suits them, but when there is something that the landed gentry do not like they are up in arms and incite riots in London and get the serfs to try and storm Parliament. The electorate voted in 1997 for a Government that had Banning Hunting with Hounds in its manifesto, at last the Government has carried out an electoral promise, that the PEOPLE voted for and banned this. Because a minority of aristocrats and landed gentry do not like it, well tough.

 

[Uncle Buck]

He's got the same problem understanding why we should get rid of Sven

On Sven I happen not to agree with the rest of you, but save that for the other thread.

 

[Simster]

I expect the law to be as well inforced as speeding and mobile telephones while driving. I.e. not at all or in very specific locations.

UB: you seem to have as much understanding of the countryside as a labour politician - none. I think you are playing with semantics when you use the word humane as in "There are more humane ways of controlling the vermin". As they are vermin, you can poison them, string them up by their testicles or whatever you like to kill them. You other brilliant idea about fences only underlines your complete missunderstanding of this subject. Stick to the old adage and say nothing and be thought a fool rather than confirming that you are.

Hunting is nevertheless a complete bag of shit, undertaken by a bunch of chinless inbred toffs and a few badly paid lackies from local council estates. But even excusing this point, and excusing the ethics of having a fox dismembered for fun, the fact is that hunting does an awful lot of damage to the countryside.

My dad and step mother are rangers in the New Forest, and were outraged when the local committees who run the area were campaigning to have bicycle paths removed because they destroy the environment! Strange then, that these people never objected to the hunt, which according to the rangers f*** everything up. Hedgerows are ripped apart as the horses barely clear them, the dogs shit everywhere, the damage to the ground caused by hooves in particular leaves a massive clean up job. And they don't make any attempt to clear up after themselves.

Anyway it transpires that these committee members also enjoyed the hunt or had "chums" that do. And of course, the Hunt does f*** all to contribute to the region, unlike the tourists on their bikes. That says all I need to know about these twats. Or am I just failing to understand the country?

 

[stoke]

Animals don't have rights, rights are enshrined in law for people who can choose to excercise their domination over animals howsoever they wish.

The Fox Hunting ban was a high profile tactic of the Labour party to ingratiate themselves with those who felt that 'the upper classes should be put in their place'.

Emotive language is just a mechanism of the ill informed to justify their arguments and simply demonstrates a closed mind.

If only we had the same level of debate over the invasion of Iraq, something that actually matters!

 

[Locky]

I have seen one hunt in my entire life.......however I have seen thousands of foxes.............To believe that hunts keep the population level down is just rediculous.
This sport (and I use the word sport only because its the title they would have us use) is totally barbaric, and it amazes me how anyone could or would try to give it credibilty.
I would like to think that we were above such cruel actions by now...........for god sake this is the year 2005.
Hurt any other animal, and the RSPCA would be down on you like a ton of bricks...............Rip a fox to pieces and its ok because it's just a sport. Sorry can't quite get my head around that one.

 

[aftershavedave]

If only we had the same level of debate over the invasion of Iraq, something that actually matters!

utter rubbish, the topics are completely unrelated.

 

[captainmorganrum]

Emotive language is just a mechanism of the ill informed to justify their arguments and simply demonstrates a closed mind.

And wittering on about the welfare of dogs bred to rip other animals apart and the death of their way of life isn't using emotive language?

Hunting foxes with dogs is abhorrent, immoral and finally is illegal.

People don't get to choose which laws to obey so deal with it.

 

[3gulls]

Re: Re: Re: poor old foxes!

Kangaroos in Australia are vermin also - but we have controlled culls and don't gallop around the countryside setting our dingoes on them chased by velvet suited hard hat wearing minorities on horseback...

But Australia is a backwoods country with no heritage. What do you expect!

 

[tedebear]

Re: Re: Re: Re: poor old foxes!

But Australia is a backwoods country with no heritage. What do you expect!

well in this situation seems we have a little more decency?

 

[3gulls]

Hey, I keep a livery yard. We have 88 fox hounds on our property, I would dearly love for each of those hounds to go to a loving family and be great with children. I must be doing something wrong - but please come out here and show us how we can keep these hounds as pets. One bit my daughter about ten days ago and was put down. I don't trust them as pets for us let alone to give to anyone else as a pet.

*That is all hypothetical as tomorrow they will run to ground and 80 odd people will ride to those hounds*

Signed, A downtroden sadistic scum bastard. I'll be in Wigan tomorrow but Starry Jnr x 2 will ride to hounds.

Good man, if only Seagulls fans had as much sense.

 

[3gulls]

Well, stop breeding them then, problem solved.

Some people on here's parents should have taken that view!

 

[3gulls]

How about the farmers paid for decent deterents, like oh fences to keep the foxes out

You do not have a f***ing clue do you. They would have to totally cage their land. Then the urban scum will complain about their lack of access to footpaths.

 

[Uncle Buck]

You do not have a f***ing clue do you. They would have to totally cage their land. Then the urban scum will complain about their lack of access to footpaths.

Always an excuse, never a solution from nature's bleaters.

 

[looney]

Those BBC stats are dodgy.

The ones ive seen put the indifferent at well over 50%.

There is a lot of bias in the way those stats are sampled.

Firstly there middle class and therefor tend to be more opinionate.

Then theres the problem of selfselection, countryfile watchers are hardly likely to be indifferent.

Mail on Sunday readers want everything banned. Nazi's banned hunting. Fuckem all.

 

[3gulls]

I still can't get past the fact that people ride out on horseback to follow a pack of hounds, over whatever land they wish, whose sole purpose is to destroy a fox by tearing it apart - doesn't make sense to me that this is "normal" "sane" thinking?

Farmers are generally delighted to have them on their land, it is part of rural life. They do not run through peoples gardens you know!

 

[Simster]

Farmers are generally delighted to have them on their land, it is part of rural life. They do not run through peoples gardens you know!

New Forest rangers aren't. The hunt causes unbelievable damage.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Some people on here's parents should have taken that view!

Cheers.








Fuckwit.

 

[looney]

Lets ban halal and kosher slaughter while were at it, it shouldn't bother labour as theyve already lost the ahmed vote cos of the war and the jewish vote for there creeping anti-sematism.

 

[3gulls]

Re: Re: Re: poor old foxes!

Sorry, but I never buy the argument about it controlling numbers because ....

1. You'll also hear the pro-hunt lot saying how "it's all a bit of fun, and a lot of the time the fox gets away anyway."

2. I do about 30k miles a year, and I barely go a day without passing half a dozen road kills, often foxes. IMHO if you want to control numbers, you should just drop the tax on fuel, so people drive more.

The trouble is that the bastards damage the cars that hit them! Grilles and front vallances cost money you know. Or are you suggesting that everyone should drive 4x4s with bull bars?