[News] Plane gone down in the French Alps?

[Midfield Minton]

Is there not a possibility that all this info from flight recorders can be loggod other then relying on finding the wreckage

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Is there not a possibility that all this info from flight recorders can be loggod other then relying on finding the wreckage

Ofcourse it's possible, but it's less reliable. There aren't many occasions when the black box isn't found are there?

 

[Megazone]

Where are our usual conspiracy theorists, anyway?

Wasnt it only yesterday the Plane went down?

seems a little insensitive that people already want to hear the conspiracies!

Someone on here might know a plane victim.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Is there not a possibility that all this info from flight recorders can be loggod other then relying on finding the wreckage

In this day and age the same flight recorder info should be relayed directly to a central server on the ground shirley, with the flight recorder box a secondary backup. If nothing else, would give an early warning of any possible anomalies that could then be monitored and/or acted on from the ground.

 

[Midfield Minton]

Yeah exactly,with the plane they've been looking for for over a year and may never know what happen,I fined it hard to believe and somewhat strange that this is not standard

 

[symyjym]

In this day and age the same flight recorder info should be relayed directly to a central server on the ground shirley, with the flight recorder box a secondary backup. If nothing else, would give an early warning of any possible anomalies that could then be monitored and/or acted on from the ground.

It is possible to relay and record realtime data and I have heard some industry experts talking about it over the last couple of years. I am sure it will happen but it is surprising that it is not already being used by big airlines, especially after the Air France crash, in 2009, when it took two years to recover the black box.

With all the technology being pumped into aircraft it is odd that they are using a 1950’s invention to record accidents.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

With all the technology being pumped into aircraft it is odd that they are using a 1950’s invention to record accidents.

Completely this, when you can post to your Facebook page from seat 28F at 38,000 feet. There's no excuse really.

 

[Del Fenner]

It is possible to relay and record realtime data and I have heard some industry experts talking about it over the last couple of years. I am sure it will happen but it is surprising that it is not already being used by big airlines, especially after the Air France crash, in 2009, when it took two years to recover the black box.

With all the technology being pumped into aircraft it is odd that they are using a 1950’s invention to record accidents.

It's very reliable and has stood the test of time.

To bring in something new as a standard you would have to design it, test it, iron out the wrinkles, make it aviation grade not consumer grade, get all relevant aviation bodies to agree to it, then implement it. Lots of time, money and political will required.

Any carriers that wish to go it alone will have to implement something that is likely to not meet any future standard, and may baulk at the USP being, "hey! In case you all get killed, we will have real time data available for the Daily Mail / Sky News to immediately splash across the globe".

 

[edna krabappel]

Wasnt it only yesterday the Plane went down?

seems a little insensitive that people already want to hear the conspiracies!

Someone on here might know a plane victim.

Odd. You're not usually this sensitive. I bet you're itching to tell us what "really" happened.

 

[edna krabappel]

Any carriers that wish to go it alone will have to implement something that is likely to not meet any future standard, and may baulk at the USP being, "hey! In case you all get killed, we will have real time data available for the Daily Mail / Sky News to immediately splash across the globe".

With the facility for the Mail/SkyNews to obtain direct satellite footage of the victims' relatives grieving outside their own houses within 30 minutes of the crash being reported?

 

[symyjym]

It's very reliable and has stood the test of time.

To bring in something new as a standard you would have to design it, test it, iron out the wrinkles, make it aviation grade not consumer grade, get all relevant aviation bodies to agree to it, then implement it. Lots of time, money and political will required.

Any carriers that wish to go it alone will have to implement something that is likely to not meet any future standard, and may baulk at the USP being, "hey! In case you all get killed, we will have real time data available for the Daily Mail / Sky News to immediately splash across the globe".

It sounds like you are looking to make it more complicated than what it would really be. They would still have a black box so you wouldn't need all the aviation bodies to agree to it. It would simply be an optional addition not a replacement.

Not sure what point you are trying to make about the USP

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It's very reliable and has stood the test of time.

To bring in something new as a standard you would have to design it, test it, iron out the wrinkles, make it aviation grade not consumer grade, get all relevant aviation bodies to agree to it, then implement it. Lots of time, money and political will required.

Any carriers that wish to go it alone will have to implement something that is likely to not meet any future standard, and may baulk at the USP being, "hey! In case you all get killed, we will have real time data available for the Daily Mail / Sky News to immediately splash across the globe".

Behave. The technology already exists, and has done for some time. Give every airline n years to have it implemented or be grounded, and hey presto, it'll be done. Simples.

 

[Gwylan]

It's very reliable and has stood the test of time.

To bring in something new as a standard you would have to design it, test it, iron out the wrinkles, make it aviation grade not consumer grade, get all relevant aviation bodies to agree to it, then implement it. Lots of time, money and political will required.

You would also probably need a discrete band of spectrum for this data; have enough transmission points around the globe to ensure there are no holes in coverage. That in itself is a tough proposition when you think that 30 years after cellular telephony there are still massive blackspots in the crowded south-east of England.

Then there's the amount of storage needed for data: you're talking about gigabytes of data per plane - and thousands of planes every day. Finally, you need it secure, the last thing you want is data that could intercepted by the bad guys.

None of this is insurmountable but it's not a quick fix. And as Del Fenner says, even if you overcome the technical problems, there are legal and administrative issues to fix

 

[bWize]

You would also probably need a discrete band of spectrum for this data; have enough transmission points around the globe to ensure there are no holes in coverage. That in itself is a tough proposition when you think that 30 years after cellular telephony there are still massive blackspots in the crowded south-east of England.

Then there's the amount of storage needed for data: you're talking about gigabytes of data per plane - and thousands of planes every day. Finally, you need it secure, the last thing you want is data that could intercepted by the bad guys.

None of this is insurmountable but it's not a quick fix. And as Del Fenner says, even if you overcome the technical problems, there are legal and administrative issues to fix

It would use satellite for communications, surely? I'm fairly sure passengers aren't getting their signals from cellular masts when using laptops (online) at high altittude?

 

[Gwylan]

It would use Satelite for comms, surely?

Yes, it would. But there'd still need to be a discrete spectrum and total coverage.

My post was a bit misleading: I wasn't trying to imply that planes would use GSM or even UMTS like cellular, but to point out that 100% global coverage wasn't completely straightforward

 

[bWize]

Yes, it would. But there'd still need to be a discrete spectrum and total coverage.

My post was a bit misleading: I wasn't trying to imply that planes would use GSM or even UMTS like cellular, but to point out that 100% global coverage wasn't completely straightforward

It may not be fool proof but having the additional layer would be a very positive move IMO and no real reason not to in this day and age.. The other point you raise about 'interception by the bad guys' could be solved with some heavy encryption. Data/Bandwidth isn't really an issue these days and they would only need to keep the recorded data for a set amount of time anyway.

 

[Midfield Minton]

Seems very strange that the last transmission was normal then 1 minute later it started a rapid decent,really can't work out why in that 8 minutes nothing was said over the radio

 

[symyjym]

http://news.sky.com/story/1231571/will-data-streaming-replace-black-boxes

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Seems very strange that the last transmission was normal then 1 minute later it started a rapid decent,really can't work out why in that 8 minutes nothing was said over the radio

Suicide ?

 

[Midfield Minton]

Not saying I think or it was..but could you get away with that on a plane with co-pilot,wouldn't the co-pilot say over the radio his lost it and trying to kill us all,and if locked out of the cockpit at least on panicked person on that plane would of sent a text or something eight minutes is a long I'm sure if you think death is imminent