Parking in Coldean - residents not happy.

[somerset]

If restrictions are applied then all it will do is move the so called problem elsewhere. Many people just can't do without the car for many reasons and provided they act responsibly when selecting a parking space that is all that is required. Simply put people do not own that piece of road in front of their dwelling unless it's a private road.

Exactly, I had a flat in Goldstone Rd for 3 years,.... I just knew that parking was a lottery on matchdays, but it was for 3 hours give or take, three times a month -ish..... big deal.... you adjust.

 

[Uncle C]

Free to residents. I expect the Club are paying for them.

I'm guessing that would be a first in the UK.

 

[Postman Pat]

Match day parking permits for residents have been proposed to prevent Albion supporters from clogging up residential roads.

Brighton and Hove City Council are proposing that residents in Coldean and Moulsecoomb be issued with permits that would allow them to park in their own streets on match days.

The move has been proposed to prevent Seagulls’ supporters parking close to the stadium in unofficial parking areas.

Residents have cautiously welcomed the moves to eradicate the parking problem which they have described as a “nightmare” since the stadium opened last summer.

A month-long consultation will start on September 17 and the scheme could be up and running as early as next spring.

The costs will be met by Brighton and Hove Albion and forms part of the planning permission granted for the expansion of the Amex.

Four thousand households and businesses will be sent questionnaires about the proposal.

Households will be permitted one permit for every vehicle registered to that address and given one free visitor permit.

An additional 25 visitor permits can be bought during the season. The scheme, which will focus around four junctions in Coldean and two in Moulsecoomb, will be reviewed after its first year.

Carol Lynn of Coldean Residents Association, said she welcomed the move but said that measures needed to be taken now and not in six months time.

She said: “At the last match day, it was chock-a-block.

“We had a bus stuck at Forest Road because there was no room for it to go down the road.

“Parking is as bad now as it has ever been, there are more supporters going to the stadium this season.”

An Albion spokesman said: “It is important that Albion supporters respect all of our neighbours, and we have made it clear they must not park in Moulsecoomb or Coldean.

“We ask all fans to use one of the many sustainable methods of transport available and included in their Amex ticket price.”

Councillor Matt Follett, deputy chairman of the transport committee, said the scheme would operate all day when there are matches or events at the Amex.

What do you think of the scheme? Tell us by writing to our letters page, by emailing letters@theargus.co.uk or leaving a comment at theargus.co.uk/news
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Wonder what they mean by registered to the address, on the DVLA website or will I have to register cars If you supply me with your numberplate I will register it for £50!

 

[Questions]

“We had a bus stuck at Forest Road because there was no room for it to go down the road.


If cars are illegally parked, move them. If they are not, what happens when the locals park there ? Are their cars less obstructive ?

 

[Postman Pat]

“We had a bus stuck at Forest Road because there was no room for it to go down the road.


If cars are illegally parked, move them. If they are not, what happens when the locals park there ? Are their cars less obstructive ?

There are no yellow lines on Forest Road, as the locals know it is a bus route they never park on the right-hand side, if people park both sides there is no room for a bus to get down.

Back end of last season the police were putting cones down one side, they didn't in the last game and the buses got stuck. Would make more sense to get yellow lines painted than go to all this expense.

Personally I cannot see the club paying for this forever and eventually I will end up having to pay for a parking permit from the council.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Households will be permitted one permit for every vehicle registered to that address and given one free visitor permit. An additional 25 visitor permits can be bought during the season.

Oh yes. I can sniff an earner there for some entrepreneurial residents.

 

[Gwylan]

Personally I cannot see the club paying for this forever and eventually I will end up having to pay for a parking permit from the council.

I mentioned this earlier. It seems mad to me - 4000 homes, let's say 1.5 cars per home (not unreasonable - there are two cars per home for virtually every house in our street and there some houses down Rushlake that have about five cars). Add the free permit per home.

That's 10000 x £120 = £1,200,000 per year for the Albion to fork out and what if the area gets expanded to take in all of Moulsecoomb and not just a couple of streets: are the club going to fork out a couple of million for ever?

 

[Triggaaar]

There are no yellow lines on Forest Road, as the locals know it is a bus route they never park on the right-hand side, if people park both sides there is no room for a bus to get down.

Back end of last season the police were putting cones down one side, they didn't in the last game and the buses got stuck. Would make more sense to get yellow lines painted than go to all this expense.

Personally I cannot see the club paying for this forever and eventually I will end up having to pay for a parking permit from the council.

While there's plenty the club need to pay for, the yellow lines you mention should be paid for by the council. There could easily be other times people from out of the area park there and block the buses, it's not a BHA problem.

 

[Gwylan]

While there's plenty the club need to pay for, the yellow lines you mention should be paid for by the council. There could easily be other times people from out of the area park there and block the buses, it's not a BHA problem.

Indeed. It happened last week when there was no game on - a bus had to reverse into Coldean Lane to let another one pass.

 

[Postman Pat]

While there's plenty the club need to pay for, the yellow lines you mention should be paid for by the council. There could easily be other times people from out of the area park there and block the buses, it's not a BHA problem.

I didn't say that the club should pay for them, just that it is a better solution than parking permits.

Whatever the solution is it needs to be more joined up than currently, changes to road markings, another P&R site, changes to trains etc..

Just making locals display permits will not resolve the issue.

 

[Triggaaar]

Free to residents. I expect the Club are paying for them.

Does anyone know the facts about this? I would be pissed off if the club agreed to pay. The club should encourage the use of public transport, and do what it can to make that a more useful option than driving, but I don't like the way people are trying to discriminate against football fans.

 

[Questions]

I think the Albion moving to Falmer has caught the council on the hop over the inevitable extra parking in and around Coldean and Moulscomb. I mean the club really sprung it upon them didn't they ?

 

[Postman Pat]

Does anyone know the facts about this? I would be pissed off if the club agreed to pay. The club should encourage the use of public transport, and do what it can to make that a more useful option than driving, but I don't like the way people are trying to discriminate against football fans.

It was part of the agreement for getting more seats at the stadium, the club would pay for a consultation, permits and the cost for wardens on matchdays..... I assume they wont see any revenues raised from parking tickets and the extra permits though.

 

[Triggaaar]

I didn't say that the club should pay for them, just that it is a better solution than parking permits.

I wasn't suggesting you did, but as the topic of the club paying for some of this stuff has been raised, I merely added my opinion that we shouldn't pay for yellow lines that were already needed.

We're discussing Coldean etc, but what happens at Falmer? Stewards stop cars from driving in to park, but I assume that's not legally enforceable either - or is there something in Falmer the means it is?

 

[Gwylan]

Does anyone know the facts about this? I would be pissed off if the club agreed to pay. The club should encourage the use of public transport, and do what it can to make that a more useful option than driving, but I don't like the way people are trying to discriminate against football fans.

I misread the Argus story. I thought it said the club would pay for the consultation, I thought it said the cost of the permits. I'm sure, however, that Lord B has previously said the club would pay for the permits if necessary.

Even if true, I do think the club should set a ceiling on the amount they'd pay otherwise it could find itself hit hard in the pocket.

I'm voting against parking restrictions BTW. We don't have a car so it doesn't affect us but we do have people visiting at weekends and Christmas and I don't see why they should have to buy a permit to park in an area that is generally uncongested.

 

[Triggaaar]

It was part of the agreement for getting more seats at the stadium, the club would pay for a consultation, permits and the cost for wardens on matchdays

Ah, well paying for the cost of a permit is not the same as paying £120 for a permit. The cost of printing a permit will be a few pence each, and there's a bit of admin to pay for. We should be able to pay for Wardens direct, and use the penalties to contribute. We should be paying our way, not contributing more to the council's purse.

 

[The Large One]

Does anyone know the facts about this? I would be pissed off if the club agreed to pay. The club should encourage the use of public transport, and do what it can to make that a more useful option than driving, but I don't like the way people are trying to discriminate against football fans.

The club does encourage use of public transport, and discourages people from parking in Coldean / Moulsecoomb. However, as we've seen from one or two posters on here (and the obvious hundreds of cars that do park there), many don't care. They'll park there because they can.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

I misread the Argus story. I thought it said the club would pay for the consultation, I thought it said the cost of the permits. I'm sure, however, that Lord B has previously said the club would pay for the permits if necessary.

Even if true, I do think the club should set a ceiling on the amount they'd pay otherwise it could find itself hit hard in the pocket.

At the moment they are out of pocket whatever they do, in the agreement for the original stadium there's a clause which states the club will pay a fine of a certain amount per 1% over 20% of additional cars parking in those areas at matchdays, so they take a survey on non match days and during every match, if there's 20% more parking on a match day then the club aren't fined anything but every % over 20% that gets quite a healthy fine.

It's all in the planning report to committee.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Pretty sure I saw that bus getting stuck in Forest Road as I was walking down from further up the at the Barnsley game.

I noticed on the day that, as Postman Pat says, the cones present last season were not in place, so with no yellow lines an occasional visitor wouldn't have even known not to park there for the buses.

Cones/yellow lines seem more sensible than the more drastic alternative.

I can't see why people are surprised about the parking that's going on. A lot of people who have splashed out on season tickets, food, drink, merchandise etc don't want to pay an extra tenner (minimum) a match to park, and they will park in the nearest free place and walk half an hour until such time as they can't, nor can you blame them for that if they are doing it responsibly.

I wonder if the 'Coldean Residents Association' have canvassed views from the pub, chippy, bookie and shops that have probably quadrupled their turnover.

 

[Gwylan]

At the moment they are out of pocket whatever they do, in the agreement for the original stadium there's a clause which states the club will pay a fine of a certain amount per 1% over 20% of additional cars parking in those areas at matchdays, so they take a survey on non match days and during every match, if there's 20% more parking on a match day then the club aren't fined anything but every % over 20% that gets quite a healthy fine.

It's all in the planning report to committee.

I hadn't realised that. There's much more than 20% parking on match day so the club will have to fork out