Beach Hut
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Drinking out of control ?
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glosterseagul
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...looks like it!
Hunting 784561
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Any worse than 20 years ago ?
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
Lord Bracknell
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A boring old git writes ...Smart Mart said:Any worse than 20 years ago ?
I doubt it.
Yes. Much worse.
Although I'm not sure that it's down to the licensing hours or even the number of bars (as alleged in Panorama).
My theory is that it's the "new" drinks that are to blame. Easy to consume, low-cost, sweet, fruit-flavoured, coloured stuff that delivers the sort of quick hit that was quite difficult to get from the traditional beers and lagers that were the mainstream drinks a generation back.
Obviously lager is still on the menu, but its effects are topped up by the other stuff - and falling over and fighting now seem to be much more prevalent.
Panorama was right to blame the drinks industry, of course. But I don't think they quite got the reason right.
What I don't understand is why young people are so susceptible to the marketing tricks. Whatever happened to the critical consumerism that defined so much of what I used to drink before I fell over?
God, I'm a boring old fart. Sorry.
Beach Hut
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Far from being boring:
The issue is alcopops and disposable income.
Both in far bigger abundance than before.
What was never mentioned tonight was profit only turnover.
I suspect the drinks industry can happily live off smaller profit with a mega turnover.
The issue is alcopops and disposable income.
Both in far bigger abundance than before.
What was never mentioned tonight was profit only turnover.
I suspect the drinks industry can happily live off smaller profit with a mega turnover.
Benny Seagull
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give me a pint any day - nothing compared to all that bitch piss
Blackadder
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20 years ago. Lads would did get lashed up and there were scraps etc.
Girls, or should I call them ladettes, seem to have caught up with the blokes these days.
I agree with points above about alcopops and more disposable income.
The pubs/clubs etc are happy to sell drinks for a profit (and I can't blame them for that) but they feel that hiring a couple of bouncers, sorry doormen, is their sole repsonsiblilty. It's when people leave the clubs that it usually kicks off!
Girls, or should I call them ladettes, seem to have caught up with the blokes these days.
I agree with points above about alcopops and more disposable income.
The pubs/clubs etc are happy to sell drinks for a profit (and I can't blame them for that) but they feel that hiring a couple of bouncers, sorry doormen, is their sole repsonsiblilty. It's when people leave the clubs that it usually kicks off!
Rangdo
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Couldn't agree more. If you want something sweet drink lemonade and leave alcohol to the adultsBenny Seagull said:give me a pint any day - nothing compared to all that bitch piss
Rangdo
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The problem is that everyone gets tarred brush. Any measures that are taken to curb the drinking such as taxing pubs and clubs to fund extra police is good in principle but that cost gets passed on to all consumers, not just the idiots that cause the trouble.Buzza said:
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Im still not totally convinced.
I agree there are many more bars about and alcopops available now than there were 20 years ago, but people still got just as pissed and lairy then. The Royal Sussex A&E department was just as busy patching people up on a Saturday night, as it is now.
What I found depressing about the Panaroma programme was the suggestion that Brits just arent capable of having a 'continental' style 24 hr cafe culture, because all we want to do is binge drink, puke up, and start a fight......
Which, thinking about it, isnt a million miles from the truth
I agree there are many more bars about and alcopops available now than there were 20 years ago, but people still got just as pissed and lairy then. The Royal Sussex A&E department was just as busy patching people up on a Saturday night, as it is now.
What I found depressing about the Panaroma programme was the suggestion that Brits just arent capable of having a 'continental' style 24 hr cafe culture, because all we want to do is binge drink, puke up, and start a fight......
Which, thinking about it, isnt a million miles from the truth
Lord Bracknell
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Not the Brits, Mart .. the English.Smart Mart said:
Lord Bracknell said:
You've obviously never been in Swansea or Cardiff on a Saturday night, Lord B.
A half-tidy night out in Merthyr Tydfil seems to consist of several pints of lager before piling down to the Silver Slipper and getting into a fight.
I didn't see the programme but I agree with Smart Mart - things were bad 20 years ago. I think the only difference is that when I was a young lad, it was just blokes getting mashed, whereas now, it's women as well (and that's where I do think alcopops are to blame).
The strange thing is, Brits are not big drinkers, We come well down the European league table for consumption of alcohol per head, but we seem to handle it worse. I think that's partly because we don't drink with meals and partly because we buy in rounds, a practice that leads to people drinking more than they want.
beorhthelm
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i think its got somthing to do with the 'chemical' nature of drinks. Those alcopops are a chemical soup, while lagers can be quite nasty, but ales and bitter tend to be clean. You dont see some one down 4 pints of london pride/Sussex best then pick a fight do you? Having worked a door, there always seemed to be more agro when a Carling promotion was on verses a John Smiths or Guiness
chips and gravy
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I agree about the alcopop phenomenon. When I was growing up there was a limit to the amount of beer that you could physically consume. It tended to be slightly weaker so you ended up pissing all night, which was a limiting factor.
The thing that worries me now is that passers-by get attacked for no reason. Yes lads will still scrap after a few drinks but why is it that so many carry some kind of weapon now?
For my part I don't go out much in Worthing any more. I don't much like the atmosphere of aggression that exists in the town centre on a Saturday night
The thing that worries me now is that passers-by get attacked for no reason. Yes lads will still scrap after a few drinks but why is it that so many carry some kind of weapon now?
For my part I don't go out much in Worthing any more. I don't much like the atmosphere of aggression that exists in the town centre on a Saturday night
Northstander
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It's about bringing up your kids to respect things and educating them properly about drinking!!
At the missus pub she gets people come in at weekends 18-24 thinking they are big and clever knocking back Aftershock and cocktail shots following that by dble Jd's and cokes or vodka and lemonades or whatever.
Then find they are absolutley hammered by 9-10pm and not being allowed anymore drink over the bar, that's when the attitude starts ....an 18 yr old thinking they are the hardest in the pub.
I honestly feel it is getting worse and it IS the binge drinking culture being forced upon us, Licencees are now being cracked down upon, maybe not in your town centres such as Brighton but more of your local boozers!
IMHO it's too little too late.
At the missus pub she gets people come in at weekends 18-24 thinking they are big and clever knocking back Aftershock and cocktail shots following that by dble Jd's and cokes or vodka and lemonades or whatever.
Then find they are absolutley hammered by 9-10pm and not being allowed anymore drink over the bar, that's when the attitude starts ....an 18 yr old thinking they are the hardest in the pub.
I honestly feel it is getting worse and it IS the binge drinking culture being forced upon us, Licencees are now being cracked down upon, maybe not in your town centres such as Brighton but more of your local boozers!
IMHO it's too little too late.
Brixton Seagull 2
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Is there any connection between aggression and beers like Stella, which is now worryingly known as "wife beater", and 1664. I've heard these lagers are packed full of chemicals too.
The thing about 24 hour bars is that we're all not suddenly going to start going out at 10.30pm dressed in boat shoes and chinos with jumpers draped over our shoulders and sipping wine like the bloody Spanish. We'll have a few years of horrific piss-ups, and then people will realise you can't sustain that sort of drinking and they'll cut down.
The other issue is climate. In Spain and Italy, the weather is good most of the time, so sitting outside a bar areas where until 5am slowly downing a half, while listening to some bloke play classicla guitar is part of the culture. Can't see that being in Yates's Wine Bar in West Street until 5am being the same somehow.
One last point (might be bollox) is that from 1988 to the late 1990's, most of us twenty somethings (as I was then) much preferred dancing all nigt, doing pills, drinking water and hugging strangers. Since that's now died a death, there's a new generation of kids going back to the old boozing and fighting combo.
Certainly, the few town centre pubs I've dared go into on a Saturday night in the last year or two, are like being in a time warp back to the mid 80's. Crappy music, nasty atmosphere, bad clothes...
The thing about 24 hour bars is that we're all not suddenly going to start going out at 10.30pm dressed in boat shoes and chinos with jumpers draped over our shoulders and sipping wine like the bloody Spanish. We'll have a few years of horrific piss-ups, and then people will realise you can't sustain that sort of drinking and they'll cut down.
The other issue is climate. In Spain and Italy, the weather is good most of the time, so sitting outside a bar areas where until 5am slowly downing a half, while listening to some bloke play classicla guitar is part of the culture. Can't see that being in Yates's Wine Bar in West Street until 5am being the same somehow.
One last point (might be bollox) is that from 1988 to the late 1990's, most of us twenty somethings (as I was then) much preferred dancing all nigt, doing pills, drinking water and hugging strangers. Since that's now died a death, there's a new generation of kids going back to the old boozing and fighting combo.
Certainly, the few town centre pubs I've dared go into on a Saturday night in the last year or two, are like being in a time warp back to the mid 80's. Crappy music, nasty atmosphere, bad clothes...
Lammy
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Gwylan said:You've obviously never been in Swansea or Cardiff on a Saturday night, Lord B.
A half-tidy night out in Merthyr Tydfil seems to consist of several pints of lager before piling down to the Silver Slipper and getting into a fight.
I didn't see the programme but I agree with Smart Mart - things were bad 20 years ago. I think the only difference is that when I was a young lad, it was just blokes getting mashed, whereas now, it's women as well (and that's where I do think alcopops are to blame).
The strange thing is, Brits are not big drinkers, We come well down the European league table for consumption of alcohol per head, but we seem to handle it worse. I think that's partly because we don't drink with meals and partly because we buy in rounds, a practice that leads to people drinking more than they want.
Or Glasgow for that matter! And it's not just the Brits! The Irish are worse than us! The Germans also drink more beer than us (respect!)
Lammy
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Did anyone else get the impression that Panorama were totally biases towards the police? The poor bloke from the drink industry was being spoken to like a naughty school boy. Where as they were hanging on every word the copper said.
24 hr drinking will solve the problem of turning out 1000's of pissed people onto the streets at the same time and yet this was never discussed with the police.
The responsibility of Bouncers and how they should be performing a containing role until the police arrive.
If you have more bars then you need more public toilets and public transport to get people home safe. Night buses with bouncers?
The drinks industry pays £41 Billion in tax a year. How is this money reinvested to provide drinkiers with public sevices and transport?
24 hr drinking will solve the problem of turning out 1000's of pissed people onto the streets at the same time and yet this was never discussed with the police.
The responsibility of Bouncers and how they should be performing a containing role until the police arrive.
If you have more bars then you need more public toilets and public transport to get people home safe. Night buses with bouncers?
The drinks industry pays £41 Billion in tax a year. How is this money reinvested to provide drinkiers with public sevices and transport?
Lord Bracknell
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I'm not saying that binge drinking is exclusively an English issue. I was simply pointing out that the programme was about binge drinking in England.Lord Bracknell said:
Scottish licensing laws (and the Scottish licensing system) are different. The drinks industry (and the government) seem to be claiming that late night violence in English city centres will reduce if something like the Scottish deregulation is adopted. Panorama accepted that there was less of a problem in Scottish cities, but alleged that the government were suppressing some of the counter-evidence from other countries that have deregulated licensing hours. Wales never got a mention.