Apart from the fact they play ridiculous wages. I bet Rashford wouldn't get his £300k a week at any other club.
[Football] ‘Offshore Jim’ at Man United
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TomandJerry
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Real Madrid / Barcelona might
oldboyroy
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As well as Mctominay in Italy
This is nonsense IMO (although one day I don't doubt it will happen). Obviously losing those two would make us weaker, but we've got far too many good players to see us genuinely struggle. We'd still have.a far stronger squad than Man Utd or West Ham.
I think we can all just enjoy Man Utd being on their knees and genuinely struggling to stay in the division for a couple of years without worrying that we'll be exactly the same.
Seeing arrogant explitative wealthy business men strut/stagger into sporting arenas and f*** it up even more is very satisfying.
redistribution of wealth I think it's called.
redistribution of wealth I think it's called.
This. I think all of his sporting involvement has turned out badly. He’s good at running a chemicals business but not so good at other things.
Silverhatch
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Got Ashworth in the room while ETH flounderd. Dan Ashworth, the notoriously careful club-structure builder who they’d pursued for ages and prised away from PIF at great cost (time & money). A man who says Vision, Philosophy and Strategy first. Then develop a robust operation to build on those underpinnings. SJR & Berrada say way too cautious; way too slow. WTF! Then they bin ETH and go balls-deep on Amorim. Again Ashworth says, you’re doing this the wrong way round; Amorim won’t work in the current United structure. Floundering badly. 
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Who would have thought that Mr Burns taking over your football club would turn out badly?
Just read this on the web, a United fan who seems to understand the root problem at United.
Basically, they have fallen prey to their own arrogance as a club.
Root cause is the Glazers
That led to lack of investment in the team.
That led to an aging squad and lack of world class talent towards the end of Fergies reign.
That led to things quickly going tits up when Moyes took over.
The Glazers are responsible for Woodward, the numpty who thought he was in charge of an adult Disneyland.
Woodward is responsible for hiring the other numpties who negotiated so many of our disastrous transfers and contracts.
He built a culture epitimised by greed and lack of accountability. Players were desperate to hop aboard the United gravy train. Little effort.
Easy money. Fans will still applaud and sing their names regardless.
Arrogance from Woodward and fans alike: We're too big and too rich to fail. Let's throw more money at the problem every summer. Throw enough money at a manager and he's bound to succeed eventually, right?
Self righteousness: fans believing United are different and more special than any other club, and blindly backing shit managers somehow makes us better.
The root cause are the Glazers. But everyone associated with the club has had some part to play in our downfall. If only lessons would be learned.
Basically, they have fallen prey to their own arrogance as a club.
Root cause is the Glazers
That led to lack of investment in the team.
That led to an aging squad and lack of world class talent towards the end of Fergies reign.
That led to things quickly going tits up when Moyes took over.
The Glazers are responsible for Woodward, the numpty who thought he was in charge of an adult Disneyland.
Woodward is responsible for hiring the other numpties who negotiated so many of our disastrous transfers and contracts.
He built a culture epitimised by greed and lack of accountability. Players were desperate to hop aboard the United gravy train. Little effort.
Easy money. Fans will still applaud and sing their names regardless.
Arrogance from Woodward and fans alike: We're too big and too rich to fail. Let's throw more money at the problem every summer. Throw enough money at a manager and he's bound to succeed eventually, right?
Self righteousness: fans believing United are different and more special than any other club, and blindly backing shit managers somehow makes us better.
The root cause are the Glazers. But everyone associated with the club has had some part to play in our downfall. If only lessons would be learned.
Ashworth Wanted Southgate from reportsGot Ashworth in the room while ETH flounderd. Dan Ashworth, the notoriously careful club-structure builder who they’d pursued for ages and prised away from PIF at great cost (time & money). A man who says Vision, Philosophy and Strategy first. Then develop a robust operation to build on those underpinnings. SJR & Berrada say way too cautious; way too slow. WTF! Then they bin ETH and go balls-deep on Amorim. Again Ashworth says, you’re doing this the wrong way round; Amorim won’t work in the current United structure. Floundering badly.
It wouldn't have made any difference
That club is so f***ed
That’s all true, but the fundamental point with the Glazers is that all they ever cared about was bleeding the club dry through leveraged debt for their own personal enrichment. Everything else is just a consequence of that.
Silverhatch
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Reports? Never f***ing trust any reports. We know what Ashworth does because Bloom, Barber and Ashworth himself told us many times, and we lived it! No reports needed. They’re more f***ed because they binned off the bloke who might (just might) have built them a footballing operation worthy of a modern, global brand name. They are truly MORE f***ed without dirty Dan.
I live in Cheshire, so I know a load of Man Utd fans. I'd say there's an even split between those who see this decline as an inevitable consequence of poor management from the top down and sound management by their competitors, and then the others who genuinely think they're temporarily embarrassed title challengers.
Before the Europa League final, I asked two of them where they'd finish up next season, all things being equal?
Would take sixth? If things don't change dramatically, they'll be lucky to finish 16th.
Before the Europa League final, I asked two of them where they'd finish up next season, all things being equal?
Would take sixth? If things don't change dramatically, they'll be lucky to finish 16th.
This falls at the first point. The Glazers have invested stacks of the money in the team. Its just that its been spent terribly.
They've spent money (so much money, so badly), but as far as I know they haven't invested. Man United just make a f***ing fortune.
Hotchilidog
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The club have spent loads of money. The Glazers are taking money out of the club.
beorhthelm
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same point really, just slightly different phrasing. lack of quality investment.
when you look at the players, while most not top teir marquee names, usually they are decent players. on signing day i reckon most would have been ok in any top premier league team. problem is something in the culture there has turned them in to poor teams, consistently, over about decade and 5 or so decent managers.
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SurreySeagulls
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Questions has always been how much of their OWN money have the Glazers invested in Man United and rumours are less than £100m. Then how much have they benefited out of owning Man United and it is in in the £100's of millions in dividends plus selling the stake to offshore Jim went into their pockets and that was several billion pounds. They see United as a cash cow and as long as United to continue to service their debts that the Glazers leveraged on United to buy their controlling stake then they will continue to be like mosquitos and suck a little bit more blood out of United when they need a top up to their US portfolio. Just also adding. Even selling their stake to Offshore Jim they got United to pay their financial advisors to facilitate the sale of their shares. You reap what you sow
