[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[SouthSaxon]

The whole thing is a confidence trick based on weasel words. There was the stuff a couple of weeks ago about “cutting wasted spending” which turned out to be a blanket 5% budget cut.

The problem with ripping apart Reform’s economic plans is that the other parties are no better in that regard.

The people turning to Reform aren’t doing so for their fiscal competence and are unlikely to be dissuaded by an in-depth technical argument. For most of them, it’s about how they feel about the world around them and their place/experience within it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am no fan of Farage but with no leadership qualities at either of other parties people do listen to him. To these people I would say it is so easy to run the country when not in government.

It depends what you mean by leadership qualities.
I think you may be conflating this with visceral appeal.
Johnson had masses of visceral appeal but as a leader (of the nation) he was dogshit.
Fazza is entirely untested as a leader.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Absolutely. Well said, @Gwylan - There's an excellent deconstruction of Farage's fantasist funding formula here...

You would like to think the media might actually do their job and do some of this analysis themselves.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

So, for the odd few cases like this, where someone appears to benefit "unfairly", you want to take everyone's human rights away by leaving the ECHR?

Is that what you are suggesting?

For the avoidance of doubt. Only a f***ing moron would want to leave the ECHR.

 

[Is it PotG?]

As mentioned previously, despite the holes in policies (other parties are by no means perfect either), Farage is easily the most accomplished orator of a pretty poor bunch.
He engages quite naturally, whereas despite all the voice coaches the others sound a little daunted and vulnerable.
They're still all the same though.

 

[Peteinblack]

It depends what you mean by leadership qualities.
I think you may be conflating this with visceral appeal.
Johnson had masses of visceral appeal but as a leader (of the nation) he was dogshit.
Fazza is entirely untested as a leader.

But there are ample clues in his appalling attendance - and childish/disruptive behaviour - when an MEP in Strasbourg (even when policies affecting British fishing communities were being discussed), and his appalling lack of presence in his Clacton constituency since being elected last July.

Like Boris Johnson, he loves publicity and adulation from the gullible, and spews simplistic or inflammatory soundbites and slogans, but is utterly incompetent/lazy when it comes to the nitty-gritty of political power and responsibility.

 

[n1 gull]

But there are ample clues in his appalling attendance - and childish/disruptive behaviour - when an MEP in Strasbourg (even when policies affecting British fishing communities were being discussed), and his appalling lack of presence in his Clacton constituency since being elected last July.

Like Boris Johnson, he loves publicity and adulation from the gullible, and spews simplistic or inflammatory soundbites and slogans, but is utterly incompetent/lazy when it comes to the nitty-gritty of political power and responsibility.

A leader of a political party isn't really going to be too busy in their constituency
Do you think Blair was a busy local MP listening to peoples concerns about noisy neighbours etc...

If the people of Clacton aren't happy they can vote him out

 

[Guinness Boy]

As mentioned previously, despite the holes in policies (other parties are by no means perfect either), Farage is easily the most accomplished orator of a pretty poor bunch.
He engages quite naturally, whereas despite all the voice coaches the others sound a little daunted and vulnerable.
They're still all the same though.

Hitler gave a good speech by all accounts.

 

[n1 gull]

Hitler gave a good speech by all accounts.

Love it when Hitler gets brought up, normally the sign of a good argument

He was also a vegetarian by the way and loved animals

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But there are ample clues in his appalling attendance - and childish/disruptive behaviour - when an MEP in Strasbourg (even when policies affecting British fishing communities were being discussed), and his appalling lack of presence in his Clacton constituency since being elected last July.

Like Boris Johnson, he loves publicity and adulation from the gullible, and spews simplistic or inflammatory soundbites and slogans, but is utterly incompetent/lazy when it comes to the nitty-gritty of political power and responsibility.

I hope I wasn't giving the impression I was cutting Farage some slack.
For context, I cannot comment, owing to lack of data, on the prime ministerial leadership skills of my cat, either.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Hitler gave a good speech by all accounts.

Is he running for the next election here then?

Don't see your point.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As mentioned previously, despite the holes in policies (other parties are by no means perfect either), Farage is easily the most accomplished orator of a pretty poor bunch.
He engages quite naturally, whereas despite all the voice coaches the others sound a little daunted and vulnerable.
They're still all the same though.

A leader of a political party isn't really going to be too busy in their constituency
Do you think Blair was a busy local MP listening to peoples concerns about noisy neighbours etc...

If the people of Clacton aren't happy they can vote him out

I haven't seen a defense that desperate since Forest

 

[Is it PotG?]

More desperate than our defense at Forest

The midfield was the weak area tbh.

 

[Bodian]

A leader of a political party isn't really going to be too busy in their constituency
Do you think Blair was a busy local MP listening to peoples concerns about noisy neighbours etc...

If the people of Clacton aren't happy they can vote him out

By 'leader of a political party' I think you mean CEO of a limited company - he's only got five MPs to 'manage'. He could have spent a week in Clacton jut now - but he decided to bunk off and go on holiday. As leader of Reform UK he didn't have to go eight times to the US to meet up with his mate - he could have spent that time in Clacton. But no - he prefers a jolly.

But he does have a house there, so that's okay. Oh, wait - it's not his after all....

Blair was Prime Minister not just leader of his party - bit different don't you think?

 

[n1 gull]

By 'leader of a political party' I think you mean CEO of a limited company - he's only got five MPs to 'manage'. He could have spent a week in Clacton jut now - but he decided to bunk off and go on holiday. As leader of Reform UK he didn't have to go eight times to the US to meet up with his mate - he could have spent that time in Clacton. But no - he prefers a jolly.

But he does have a house there, so that's okay. Oh, wait - it's not his after all....

Blair was Prime Minister not just leader of his party - bit different don't you think?

He was leader of the party before he became Prime Minister so very similar don't you think?

I can't say it enough, if the people of Clacton are unhappy with him they can vote him out

 

[pocketseagull]

Tony Blair held a weekly surgery as an MP and changed to once a month as PM.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A leader of a political party isn't really going to be too busy in their constituency
Do you think Blair was a busy local MP listening to peoples concerns about noisy neighbours etc...

If the people of Clacton aren't happy they can vote him out

MPs have agents who work in the constituency office. They will take questions and concerns to the MP or his workers. That’s why MPs claim expenses to pay for the office, and worker’s salaries.

When we went to East Hull to present the Valentine’s card, JP’s agent met us.

People in Clacton, haven’t been able to make an appointment let alone speak to anyone.

 

[Is it PotG?]

MPs have agents who work in the constituency office. They will take questions and concerns to the MP or his workers. That’s why MPs claim expenses to pay for the office, and worker’s salaries.

When we went to East Hull to present the Valentine’s card, JP’s agent met us.

People in Clacton, haven’t been able to make an appointment let alone speak to anyone.

You're not a fan of our Nige, are you?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You're not a fan of our Nige, are you?

Whatever gave you that idea?

10/10 for observation

 

[Guinness Boy]

Is he running for the next election here then?

Don't see your point.

Of course you don't.

Let's just forget FPTP and democracy next time and have an X Factor style "Bestest Speech" competition on GBeebies with the winner of the public vote going straight to Number 10 for the next 20 years. Hosted by Simon Cowell, Donald Trump and (remotely in case he gets arrested), the man himself, Vladimir Putin.

"Unfortunately Ed Davey has left the Bestest Speech house this week with the least votes. Although his speech was factually correct and pointed out a number of Nigel's obvious failings it's hard to think the public understood it when it was delivered from a go kart being free wheeled down Snowdon. Just us afterwards for exclusive footage of Nigel teaching Donny how to drink a pint properly and receiving some critique on the contents of his final speech from Tommy Robinson."