[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[A1X]

I can remember being in hospital in the 80’s in West Yorkshire, hearing women tell each other, the ‘others’ were having more children than ‘us’ and within a generation, whites would be outnumbered!

Oh it's been kicking around for plenty long enough. The "lebensborn" policy in Germany was part of the same mindset.

 

[Peteinblack]

I suspect this links back to the whole "great replacement" bollocks and a need among conspiracy theorists for white people to breed more, as seen in American family laws.

Well Boris is certainly doing his bit, then!

 

[Peteinblack]

I can remember being in hospital in the 80’s in West Yorkshire, hearing women tell each other, the ‘others’ were having more children than ‘us’ and within a generation, whites would be outnumbered!

Exactly what Enoch Powell said in his 1968 'rivers of blood' speech - he was the Farage of his time: a member of the Establishment who appealed to the uneducated solely on the basis of not liking immigrants.

But on other issues, Powell was more Right-wing than Thatcher, just as Farage is, and it is those Right-wing policies which have decimated and impoverished the working-class and destroyed their communities far, far, more than immigrants.

Of course, the Right blame immigrants precisely to deflect attention from their own culpability for the damage and misery inflicted on the working-class since the 1980s.

 

[darkwolf666]

So basically, anyone but Farage then!

 

[dsr-burnley]

How can it be, indeed.
It can't. Because it isn't.
What are you banging on about?
An illegal immigrant convicted of a crime will serve some time and will then be deported.

'Freedom to roam' is not a mechanism that allows an illegal immigrant, if convicted of a crime (in addition to being an illegal immigrant) to be granted permanent residence once released from prison.

Of course anyone facing a prison sentence may attempt to argue, using our laws and process, that because they have kids who are UK citizens, they should not go to prison.
For short sentences this sometimes works (albeit 99.9% of those who benefit are, er, white British mums).
However this won't override an existing order that the person be expelled for being an illegal immigrant.

I seem to recall a case some years ago when someone did successfully argue a convoluted case that delayed their deportation, based around having kids assimilated in the UK system.
I also recall certain sorts reacting like this was the biggest news story in decades. The new norm.
"Commit a crime and be give a room in a five star hotel". All that BNP bollocks.

It seems that some semi-educated people fell for it and still lap it up.

Meanwhile Labour have been deporting people in record numbers.
What do you want? Dragging people with funny accents out of bed and throwing them into the sea?

Anyway, more top Albion football Bantz from you. Well done. Carry on

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

 

[darkwolf666]

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

So, for the odd few cases like this, where someone appears to benefit "unfairly", you want to take everyone's human rights away by leaving the ECHR?

Is that what you are suggesting?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

Post a link that's not behind a paywall please.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

And anyway, what has that headline got to do with what I wrote:

"'Freedom to roam' is not a mechanism that allows an illegal immigrant, if convicted of a crime (in addition to being an illegal immigrant) to be granted permanent residence once released from prison."

 

[Baldseagull]

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

That seems to be a different case to one you alluded to previously.
In this case it seems that the court was persuaded that his life would be at risk if deported to Jamaica, that seems a reasonable reason to not deport him. We as a country never deport or accept extradition requests if the person could be killed as a result.

In cases where a right to family life is the reason for not deporting, it is usually the children's rights, rather than the fathers rights, that is considered.
As Farage was telling everyone today, a stable family is important.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Convicted rapist spared deportation because 'he can't get witness protection'

The convicted sex attacker entered the program on the Caribbean island as a child because his mother testified about gangland murder.

www.express.co.uk

This didn't happen, then?

Here is another case that I can read.

But.....the bloke was not an illegal immigrant.

Convicted rapist avoids deportation to Jamaica because he is bisexual

Rapist avoids deportation because he fears persecution for his sexuality in Jamaica

www.standard.co.uk

I appreciate that you don't 'do' nuance, but....

This case along with others was heard during the 13 years of tory government.
I don't recall them making a national issue of it.
They could 'easily' have brought in laws to change things had they wanted to.
It is only now that the idea of eliminating 'human rights' legislation has become a thing
that this sort of anomaly has become a thing.

You want to eliminate human rights legislation?
Or is this just whataboutery?
OK, conversation over
You have become relentlessly tedious so you're on ignore now.
I have a cat to herd.

 

[Weststander]

A R5 prog last week mentioned 30% of voters still believe in Brexit. Shirley that's the absolute maximum cap on their vote share.

 

[nevergoagain]

Here is another case that I can read.

But.....the bloke was not an illegal immigrant.

Convicted rapist avoids deportation to Jamaica because he is bisexual

Rapist avoids deportation because he fears persecution for his sexuality in Jamaica

www.standard.co.uk

I appreciate that you don't 'do' nuance, but....

This case along with others was heard during the 13 years of tory government.
I don't recall them making a national issue of it.
They could 'easily' have brought in laws to change things had they wanted to.
It is only now that the idea of eliminating 'human rights' legislation has become a thing
that this sort of anomaly has become a thing.

You want to eliminate human rights legislation?
Or is this just whataboutery?
OK, conversation over
You have become relentlessly tedious so you're on ignore now.
I have a cat to herd.

Yay another mention of your wonderful ignore list.

Pull your pants up and go and make me a cup of tea I think is the expression isn't it ?.

 

[nicko31]

A R5 prog last week mentioned 30% of voters still believe in Brexit. Shirley that's the absolute maximum cap on their vote share.

Getting less every year

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I can remember being in hospital in the 80’s in West Yorkshire, hearing women tell each other, the ‘others’ were having more children than ‘us’ and within a generation, whites would be outnumbered!

Were they talking about Lancastrians?

 

[Berty23]

Farage pretending he is into horse racing is another funny one. I am surprised he did not go for greyhound racing because horse racing is all a bit gentrified surely. Even the national hunt is these days rather than just the flat. Channel 4? Nice one.

The problem anyone have debating Farage is that the truth won’t matter. You can’t debate someone when the truth is irrelevant. He will just go lie after lie and then anyone who points it out is dismissed as the establishment. It is like trying to debate trump or simply just any old idiot.

 

[dsr-burnley]

So, for the odd few cases like this, where someone appears to benefit "unfairly", you want to take everyone's human rights away by leaving the ECHR?

Is that what you are suggesting?

No, obviously not. I don't share your opinion that there were no human rights in this country until the ECHR was formed, and frankly, I don't see how that position is remotely tenable.

What I want to take away is some more of criminal's rights. Specifically, if we have granted them a provisional right to stay in this country, and they abuse that right, then I want us to take it away again. If they want to be able to commit rape AND to stay in this country, then tough. They can't have both.

Obviously a British subject would still have the right to live in this country regardless of how many rapes he commits. It's only the foreign rapists who could suffer in that way.

 

[Berty23]

No, obviously not. I don't share your opinion that there were no human rights in this country until the ECHR was formed, and frankly, I don't see how that position is remotely tenable.

What I want to take away is some more of criminal's rights. Specifically, if we have granted them a provisional right to stay in this country, and they abuse that right, then I want us to take it away again. If they want to be able to commit rape AND to stay in this country, then tough. They can't have both.

Obviously a British subject would still have the right to live in this country regardless of how many rapes he commits. It's only the foreign rapists who could suffer in that way.

Why is it obvious they would? If we left the ECHR then a government could change the law and say it is fine to dump people elsewhere.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Farage pretending he is into horse racing is another funny one. I am surprised he did not go for greyhound racing because horse racing is all a bit gentrified surely. Even the national hunt is these days rather than just the flat. Channel 4? Nice one.

The problem anyone have debating Farage is that the truth won’t matter. You can’t debate someone when the truth is irrelevant. He will just go lie after lie and then anyone who points it out is dismissed as the establishment. It is like trying to debate trump or simply just any old idiot.

After keeping quiet for months, Farage has now jumped on the Lucy Connolly bandwagon. Anything to grift more votes.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Why is it obvious they would? If we left the ECHR then a government could change the law and say it is fine to dump people elsewhere.

Where is the "elsewhere" you talk about? You're aware that Australia isn't accepting convicts nowadays?

 

[Berty23]

Where is the "elsewhere" you talk about? You're aware that Australia isn't accepting convicts nowadays?

They could dump them where ever they like. Pay Rwanda to take them. That is the point I am making. What happens if extreme left come in and round up the right wingers to deport them?