BBC2 Newsnight just started, the excellent John Curtice got the ball rolling …. the end of the two party system it appears.
Yes, although for a while it could mean the end of majority governments. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.BBC2 Newsnight just started, the excellent John Curtice got the ball rolling …. the end of the two party system it appears.
The end game here for Mr Farage is to disband his company, Reform, and become leader of the Conservative party, bringing all the disgruntled, disillusioned and knuckle-draggers along with him.Yes, although for a while it could mean the end of majority governments. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
EditedThe Reform bloke just interviewed on Newsnight breached an unwritten no-no … he mentioned that “a Labour MP was recently arrested on quite horrific charges”. Although not yet sub judice, a sign of trash talk to come in our politics?
Are you in with Reform now?Win at Runcorn by 6 votes after a recount. Labour losing the seat to Reform.
In no small part down to the fact that Labour got elected and immediately attacked old people, disabled people, and poor people.
And were arrogant enough to think it wouldn’t harm them.
What a daft question.Are you in with Reform now?
OK, just that you thought Reform were better aligned with the needs of old people, disabled people, poor people. Maybe they are changing in your eyes, at least at the local level.What a daft question.
I don’t support any party that isn’t fully committed to taking us back into the EU.
Certainly not a Labour supporter with this current mob.
No worries.OK, just that you thought Reform were better aligned with the needs of old people, disabled people, poor people. Maybe they are changing in your eyes, at least at the local level.
Understand that EU membership can be a red line for some people
The new Mayor giving a speech as if she’s won the general electionReform win the Lincolnshire Mayoral election
Agreed, but you did suggest that that was why they won the by-election.No worries.
But to be clear I didn’t think or type that I thought Reform were better aligned with the needs of old people, disabled people, poor people.
I don’t think Reform’s policies extend much beyond “less brown people”.
Depends, if Reform and Conservatives have a pact/merge they will win the general election in my opinion.All results I have seen so far are a winner for the "Can't be bothered/Not enthused enough to Vote party". 30% turnout in a mayoral election. 46% in a by-election? Another huge wake-up call to the traditional parties.
A party led by a Trump arse-licker cannot have a future in this country, surely?
Genuinely interested to know why Labour are worse right now. Once in power they realised things were more screwed as the Tories did a great job at hiding it. Given your aim is to get back into Europe then I suggest you might be best off joining the Labour Party, getting involved and try to make them change direction. If people split between parties of the centre/left then Reform are far more likely to win. I would suggest this would make rejoining Europe quite a lot less likely!Reform are a ridiculous party, infested with cranks, racists, and delusional crack pots.
But Labour are worse right now. Hence the victory in some of the more northern parts of the country.
Yes. It is why they won the by-election.Agreed, but you did suggest that that was why they won the by-election.
Personally I think its partly because the previous MP thumped someone, partly because people have unrealistic expectations of a newly elected party and/or are just preconditioned to hate whoever is in power, and partly because Farage had spent ages there delivering his own special brand of populist rhetoric that begrudgingly, he is rather good at