[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Thunder Bolt]

But nationally, every single Reform MP elected yesterday was making the gain from Labour.

Labour lost two thirds of their seats, so did the Tories. An argument that Labour really did better because they lost two thirds of a much lower number, isn't going to be seriously put forward.

There was one Reform MP elected, and that was in Runcorn, where the previous Labour MP is now a convicted criminal.
How many did you think were elected?

The rest were council elections.

 

[Chicken Run]

Education is missing. Quelle surorise

Surprise

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just imagine it and multiple up all the tick boxers doctors looking to make the figures look good. No doubt this will eventually come to light. Give this time, it's just fiddling good old Joe public. Proper care with corners being cut will be exposed at some point.
Farage is in touch with the people Starmer isn't the ballot wasn't fixed.

Farage isn’t even in touch with his own constituents let alone ‘the people’.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

2024 election Labour and Starmer one word was ‘change’.
One word. That word gave him a huge paper thin majority to do whatever he wants in next 4 years.
The ‘thick’ electorate voted him in.
The ‘thick’ electorate will vote him out.
Such a sneering and arrogant view of the working class in this country.

How do you get a huge paper thin majority?

 

[darkwolf666]

Depends, if Reform and Conservatives have a pact/merge they will win the general election in my opinion.

See post #4743…

 

[Wallace]

I think you’ll find Farage and Gove won, being as they were the leaders of the official Leave campaign. Neither wanted anything to do with Farage.

But thank you for admitting Farage was so shit at getting what he wanted he had to rely on David Cameron doing it for him. Imagine having to rely on David Cameron to do anything for you, that’s embarrassing dude.

Read your post again then have a think about who might be embarrassed.

 

[abc]

It took over 9 years after being in power to gI really dont wantet that far.

Farage has already disparaged autistic children accusing parents of getting diagnoses via Zoom from the local GP. He has said he wants to reduce spending on SEND.

I take your point so lets agree to hope that he never gets real power.

I am have considerable involvement with a charity that supports adults with autism and Downs. This Labour government are shamefully withdrawing financial assistance from the people we support who simply need help to live and achieve a basic level of self respect and are destroying the organisations (eg through the NI changes and further withdrawal of funding) that exist to help provide that support.

It seems Farage (I hadn't heard his views in autism before your post) and Reeves/Starmer have more in common than some on here might have thought.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Wanker

 

[Berty23]

I wonder if the only way to beat all the negativity about immigration might be to explain sectors that rely on it. I wonder the response from people saying they are concerned about immigrants if they actually based it on reality rather than scare stories (hence low immigration areas love reform).

Take a Mrs Merton style questioning.

“So ignoring the fact that they keep the NHS functioning, the country reasonably clean, ensure hospitality can function, put food on your table, ensure we have an almost functioning care system in this country, how have immigrants negatively affected your life?”

Many people simply could not answer. The Tories have realised you can’t out racist Farage so them talking about immigrants so much has made it the main issue when it is a drop in the ocean for issues faced as a country.

 

[Berty23]

Wanker
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I wonder if people will ever realise that public sector bodies target loads at people from deprived backgrounds to improve diversity. It is not just ethnicity. I wonder if the penny will drop that actually lots of people supporting them will miss out.

“Hang on. You can’t treat old people like that” - actually they can because they don’t have to be diverse anymore.

“NO NO NO. When I hated diversity I was talking about ethnicity not people from different backgrounds and age. We should still get a leg up. Just not them”

 

[Littlemo]

Wanker
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I wonder if these voters realised that Reform was going to go straight to Donald Trump brand fascism on them? Maybe the local elections can be a wake up call for their voters. I’m not sure how many of them actually support the Trump-like politics here.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I wonder if these voters realised that Reform was going to go straight to Donald Trump brand fascism on them? Maybe the local elections can be a wake up call for their voters. I’m not sure how many of them actually support the Trump-like politics here.

Or, it's a dog whistle for like minded people nationwide who think Trump is doing a great job. Who knows how much there is in the UK?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The other option is that they get someone completely new in who is not intimately associated with the former Tory governments and go back to centre ground politics where Cameron had electoral success.

I've read and heard a lot about Badenoch being axed and I know it's what Tories do, but she is going to be very, very difficult to remove. She has astonishing self confidence and belief which seems to be born out of her stubborn, humourless, arrogant and aggressive personality. She doesn't seem to listen to people. I can't see her listening to anyone in her party now that she is No.1, especially if they are advising her to go. She is also a fighter. You'll need to drag her kicking and screaming out of Tory HQ and her position as leader. I think she might survive longer than people expect.

Think the likelihood is they go for someone like Jenrick as even we don't like him he cutting through

Starmer must be delighted with the Tory option

Reform was always going to do well this week v Tory/Labour - I doubt Labour/Tory are that worried, the next years vote in Wales will be more telling and a concern if Reform win.

 

[n1 gull]

I wonder if the only way to beat all the negativity about immigration might be to explain sectors that rely on it. I wonder the response from people saying they are concerned about immigrants if they actually based it on reality rather than scare stories (hence low immigration areas love reform).

Take a Mrs Merton style questioning.

“So ignoring the fact that they keep the NHS functioning, the country reasonably clean, ensure hospitality can function, put food on your table, ensure we have an almost functioning care system in this country, how have immigrants negatively affected your life?”

Many people simply could not answer. The Tories have realised you can’t out racist Farage so them talking about immigrants so much has made it the main issue when it is a drop in the ocean for issues faced as a country.

The problem I have with your statement is that being concerned about immigration equates to being racist
It reminds of when Gordon Brown spoke about that 'bigoted woman' or Emily Thornbury tweeted the house with England flags

Many areas, mainly working class northern towns, where houses are relatively cheap have changed dramatically.
Funnily enough not here in Hurstpierpoint.

If someone is concerned about this does that make them racist?

 

[Bakero]

I wonder what the chances are of Farage being our next PM. I would wager significantly higher than NSC collective wisdom would suggest.

Depressing as it is, you can't rule it out. Labour really need to offer a credible alternative.

 

[BadFish]

The problem I have with your statement is that being concerned about immigration equates to being racist
It reminds of when Gordon Brown spoke about that 'bigoted woman' or Emily Thornbury tweeted the house with England flags

Many areas, mainly working class northern towns, where houses are relatively cheap have changed dramatically.
Funnily enough not here in Hurstpierpoint.

If someone is concerned about this does that make them racist?

Your logic suggests that those northern towns are the ones that are electing Reform MPs?

My understanding is that isn't happening and they are getting elected in places like Clacton, where there is minimal immigration.

 

[Wallace]

At least. Over half of the electorate eligible to vote didn't bother, so one can hope that the Reform vote was about as good as it could get. In any event, there are now 4 years before a general election, plenty of time for them to royally balls up everything they touch, whilst being associated with their great mate in the US as he screws that country up. Importantly, every other party has to up their game massively too.

And another 4 years of two tier Kier ruining this country. Labour have always been economically inept but Blair was lucky that when he won his first term the economy was in a healthy state. Not so lucky this time

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If? The fact is the govt inherited an absolute shitshow and have laid down an early marker which why might have not been popular as it needed time which obviously the public have voted against with their feet. Farage has exploited the unpopular start to a labour govt and now finds himself in an extraordinary position effectively ousting the established Tory party with absolutely no experience. It’ll be interesting to see how these successful candidates fair……

'If', yes.
Which shows what a generous man I am, accepting there is a possibility that Reform may 'turn the country around'.
(Just typing that had me stifling a snicker).

 

[Is it PotG?]

How do you get a huge paper thin majority?

I think we're beginning to witness precisely what one of those actually is.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Just imagine it and multiple up all the tick boxers doctors looking to make the figures look good. No doubt this will eventually come to light. Give this time, it's just fiddling good old Joe public. Proper care with corners being cut will be exposed at some point.
Farage is in touch with the people Starmer isn't the ballot wasn't fixed.

I was wondering who you support given your sneer that Kier is not proper Labour.
An it's Nigel!
So you are a former left winger now turned cosplay nationalist?
Arise Sir Oswald Mosely!
You can't beat a bit of certainty can you?