MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Big budget or otherwise, Adkins' taking Saints up to the Prem trumps anything that Gus has done. IF I ran Reading I would be tapping Adkins RIGHT UP.
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Nigel Adkins
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Between The Lines
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Very clever not to include Adkins stats from his two L1 promotions with Scunthorpe whose budget was miniscule.
He also kept 5k Scunny up once which was a great achivevement and then took Saints up with successive promotions.
I think he has 4 promotions in 7 seasons (4/6 if you discount the Prem season).
Clearly this is superior to Poyet's record?
I perhaps should have made it clearer that his management career with Scunthorpe extends back to 2006 according to Wikipedia, so he does have more wins under his belt, I was just restricting to the seasons they have both been in management, because it was late and I was being lazy.
Not so much clever, more 'lazy'. I don't have any preconceived ideas of who has the better record, I was just providing the stats, and stuck to the last four seasons because I was being lazy and convinced myself it would be unfair to include a time period when gus isn't in management, so restricted it to when they both were. If no one else provides them, I will update it later this evening when on my laptop.
Between The Lines
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Fair enough. To be honest Adkins record is unlikely to be something he can keep up over the course of a career as 4 promotions in 7 seasons (at least 3 automatic) is very, very good and currently is far superior to what Poyet has achieved, albeit over a longer time period.
I'll probably get shot down but having seen Saints play twice this year via a saints friend, I thought Adkins had them playing good football - decent passing but also far higher tempo than us - certainly not hoof ball for sure - at that level and against far superior teams it didn't get him the wins but if he came here I think with a few additions he'd having us watch football more often than got the crowd fully engaged - as much as Gus's style is good on the eye when it all clicks together, the lack of tempo at times and the inability to switch to a more direct style when it is clearly needed to get back into a game, definitely makes the Amex get restless and go quiet - I for one would have no problem with Adkins, he has got results to his name and comes across as a manager who his players hugely liked, who didn't have obvious cliques in his squad and who would do his business in private and express his gratitude to TB for the opportunity - because BHA is one hell of a great opportunity for any manager these days. I sometimes feel Gus thinks he is doing the club a favour whereas it is the other way around....
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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You can't compare a year on year record if Gus wasn't managing though. And i'm sure the stats aren't hugely different either way. Your second point proves what i was saying in the first place - just because a manager has a higher win % it doesn't mean they're the better manager always does it...
My opinion is Gus is a better manager and certainly will be in the future if he isn't yet (in your opinion)
Clive Walker's slaphead
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If Reading wanted Adkins then why didn't they approach him the minute Mcdermott went especially as the international break would have given him time to settle in and work with the squad
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Importantly, Southampton sacked Adkins because they thought he wasn't a Prem League manager and they could do better. Therefore, if you're going to sack McDermott because you want a manager to keep you up then surely you don't appoint a bloke who has been founding wanting in that department already this season?
We didn't "pip" them. We ****ing DESTROYED them. 16 points clear.
Herne Hill Seagull
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I fairness to him (and I think he's a big-mouthed tit) he'd been found 'wanting' by a Southampton board whose side are doing rather better than Reading. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'd have taken them down if they hadn't made the change - all opinions, ain't it?
If it does all happen, and Poyet leaves, and Adkins is seriously linked with us, I'd be dead-set against his appointment, personally. Not just because of my aforementioned distaste for the bloke, but because - given our recent run-ins with him - how much time is he going to get from the support? Wouldn't be much of a honeymoon period, would it? Lose your first couple and people will already have made their minds up.
fire&skill
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Isn't Mr Adkins on 'gardening leave' till the end of the season? Thereby making him unable to sign for another club until that time.
Just commenting on a theory I heard last night
Just commenting on a theory I heard last night
Pavilionaire
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If he was unable to sign until the end of the season why would every bookie have him a second favourite?
Outside of the Prem Adkins has been incredibly successful, so deserves respect in that regard. Personally, I can't see him as Albion manager. Conversely, I can see Di Matteo as Albion manager, although he wouldn't be my choice.
Outside of the Prem Adkins has been incredibly successful, so deserves respect in that regard. Personally, I can't see him as Albion manager. Conversely, I can see Di Matteo as Albion manager, although he wouldn't be my choice.
Monkey Man
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Same situation with Di Matteo though, surely ... a Chelsea big name, biding his time until a glamour job comes along.
Chris_Highwind
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Isn't Mr Adkins on 'gardening leave' till the end of the season? Thereby making him unable to sign for another club until that time.
Just commenting on a theory I heard last night
Surely he can't be as Southampton have signed a new manager
Gardening leave just means he is still technically employed, like gus. So if reading want him they have to buy out his contract. I also has the added benefit for Southampton that they pay him his wages as normal rather than pay off his contract in a lump sum. It should be cheaper for reading to buy Adkins contract than it would be for them to buy gus's, since we want gus, and Southampton would want Adkins off their wage bill.
The Grockle
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I’d prefer Poyet to stay but if it look like he might go the club need to have Adkins lined up to take over in time for the Forest game. Say what you like about him during our little faux rivalry but he comes across very professionally (albeit with a few slightly irritating clichés) has proven he can manage budgets at both ends of the spectrum and also has a similar footballing ethos than Gus, played at an exciting pace.
Get Adkins and Dean Wilkins and promote Calderon for communication purposes and I genuinely feel we’ll reach the play offs.
Get Adkins and Dean Wilkins and promote Calderon for communication purposes and I genuinely feel we’ll reach the play offs.
CliveWalkerWingWizard
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From a footballing point of view - Adkins would be good and fit in with our present style - maybe even improve us.
BUT- what a complete **** - I don't think I could put up with the post match interviews.
BUT- what a complete **** - I don't think I could put up with the post match interviews.
Black Rod
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- Jan 19, 2013
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Adkins wasn't in charge from the start though was he? He missed the first five league games of the season so that 16 point claim could be considered slightly misleading in much the same way that the argument that Southampton got within 3 points of us can also be given the way we eased off after winning the title.
CliveWalkerWingWizard
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Oh I like this **** thing. I only called him a TW*T