[Football] MOTD - 22:30 BBC One

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Just saw the highlights and man, you were robbed, royally. 2 clear penalties.

The VAR deflected goal was a correct decision, however. It's not clear beyond doubt whether it was a hand or not, plus, the deflection changed the direction, albeit minor, and it did change the course of the ball so you cannot be sure if the keeper would have saved it otherwise. So, albeit harsh, it was correct

If there is not clear evidence of a handball in the video replays then the on field decision should stand and the goal given. If different angles show different things happening then again the benefit of the doubt should be given and the on field decision stand.

VAR need to find a clear and obvious error to overrule the on field ref and in this case looking at the replays nothing was clear or obvious.

 

[GT49er]

If there is not clear evidence of a handball in the video replays then the on field decision should stand and the goal given.

VAR need to find a clear and obvious error to overrule the on field ref and in this case looking at the replays nothing was clear or obvious.

Yes, but do spare a thought for poor Michael Salisbury. If he'd just decided it wasn't clear and obvious and not over-ruled a perfectly good goal, nobody would be talking about him tonight. Nobody would even know or care who was the VAR.

Can you really wish a fate like that on a fellow human being? Be a bit harsh, woudn't it.............#prayforsalisbury.

 

[kevo]

Yes, but do spare a thought for poor Michael Salisbury. If he'd just decided it wasn't clear and obvious and not over-ruled a perfectly good goal, nobody would be talking about him tonight. Nobody would even know or care who was the VAR.

Can you really wish a fate like that on a fellow human being? Be a bit harsh, woudn't it.............#prayforsalisbury.

i really hope the c**t gets to ref a game at the Amex soon.

 

[GT49er]

i really hope the c**t gets to ref a game at the Amex soon.

I hope he's never allowed near another football match in any official capacity, but if he is put in charge of a match at the Amex I hope the boys get Bissouma to get his Spurs team mates to all sign a Spurs shirt, so that when the pre-match handshakes are taking place Dunk can hold it up to the crowd and politely present it to the incompetant prat.

 

[kevo]

I hope he's never allowed near another football match in any official capacity, but if he is put in charge of a match at the Amex I hope the boys get Bissouma to get his Spurs team mates to all sign a Spurs shirt, so that when the pre-match handshakes are taking place Dunk can hold it up to the crowd and politely present it to the incompetant prat.

I know there's a lot of stuff about the abuse refs get and I undrstand it can be really unpleasant, but I think we should also consider these people are paid A LOT of money to officiate at the top level. Today's performance was either abjectly inept or corrupt.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Just saw the highlights and man, you were robbed, royally. 2 clear penalties.

The VAR deflected goal was a correct decision, however. It's not clear beyond doubt whether it was a hand or not, plus, the deflection changed the direction, albeit minor, and it did change the course of the ball so you cannot be sure if the keeper would have saved it otherwise. So, albeit harsh, it was correct

What on earth are you talking about? Not clear beyond doubt that it was a hand? Well, as the onfield decision was goal then it HAS to be be beyond doubt that it was a hand to overrule it. If there is an angle that shows this beyond doubt then fine but I haven't seen one.

 

[jimhigham]

Just watched now (up early for work) and the fury has returned. Can’t really complain about the coverage too much. Shearer essentially suggested we should have been awarded three penalties. His giving VAR the benefit of the doubt was inconsistent, as he invoked the “clear and obvious“ yardstick. If that’s the case then the on field decision should be allowed to stand, which would have meant Welbeck’s goal being given.

What’s really gnawing away at me now is that our best chance of keeping this squad together lies in getting European football next season. This sort of rubbish is genuinely threatening that, which could have huge implications for us in the longer term. This isn’t just a case of the team on the wrong end of bad calls whining. This stuff really matters.

 

[dazzer6666]

Not even 5/6 at this point. It's about 10 points.

Palace, Bournemouth, Leicester being clear decisions going against us.

About the only decision we got was Sanchez not being sent off against Grimsby.

We beat Bournemouth twice so no decision cost us any points

 

[trueblue]

Just saw the highlights and man, you were robbed, royally. 2 clear penalties.

The VAR deflected goal was a correct decision, however. It's not clear beyond doubt whether it was a hand or not, plus, the deflection changed the direction, albeit minor, and it did change the course of the ball so you cannot be sure if the keeper would have saved it otherwise. So, albeit harsh, it was correct

If it’s not clear it hit his hand, it shouldn’t be disallowed. They’re not meant to guess.

 

[Blues Guitarist]

The Linesman raised his flag on the Mitoma hand ball. So that was the problem. It reverted to 'Umpire's Call' so it wasn't given as the replay cannot be certain. So if there was an error there it was the linesman rather than VAR. It may have stood otherwise.

But the linesman then tapped his shoulder twice, which isn’t handball.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Trying to remember the last time an assistant ref flagged for handball in the centre of the pitch.....unusual to say the least, no?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Trying to remember the last time an assistant ref flagged for handball in the centre of the pitch.....unusual to say the least, no?

Total guesswork on his part if he’s given it.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Just watched now (up early for work) and the fury has returned. Can’t really complain about the coverage too much. Shearer essentially suggested we should have been awarded three penalties. His giving VAR the benefit of the doubt was inconsistent, as he invoked the “clear and obvious“ yardstick. If that’s the case then the on field decision should be allowed to stand, which would have meant Welbeck’s goal being given.

What’s really gnawing away at me now is that our best chance of keeping this squad together lies in getting European football next season. This sort of rubbish is genuinely threatening that, which could have huge implications for us in the longer term. This isn’t just a case of the team on the wrong end of bad calls whining. This stuff really matters.

Yes, because the clubs they would be going to, they won't have to worry about being on the receiving end of days like yesterday again

 

[zefarelly]

I know there's a lot of stuff about the abuse refs get and I undrstand it can be really unpleasant, but I think we should also consider these people are paid A LOT of money to officiate at the top level. Today's performance was either abjectly inept or corrupt.

If it was inept, it would be inconsistent.

The game was officiated very consistently, therefore it must be corrupt.

2 good goals dissalowed and 3 penalties not awarded . . .

 

[Nobby]

Just watched now (up early for work) and the fury has returned. Can’t really complain about the coverage too much. Shearer essentially suggested we should have been awarded three penalties. His giving VAR the benefit of the doubt was inconsistent, as he invoked the “clear and obvious“ yardstick. If that’s the case then the on field decision should be allowed to stand, which would have meant Welbeck’s goal being given.

What’s really gnawing away at me now is that our best chance of keeping this squad together lies in getting European football next season. This sort of rubbish is genuinely threatening that, which could have huge implications for us in the longer term. This isn’t just a case of the team on the wrong end of bad calls whining. This stuff really matters.

It really does
The PGMOL are in a multi billion pound industry proving to be an inefficient, inept and incompetent bunch of muppets
But they’re absolutely Teflon - they can just cock up with impunity every week
Every
Feckin
Week

And no one, no one can do anything about it.

And you have to ask yourself why

And the answer seems to me that it’s because the top clubs are less likely, statistically, to be impacted adversely
That is because they will benefit because they will have more goal scoring opportunities corrected on average by VAR.

So the top clubs will always be for VAR, and there’s nothing that the likes of #teamslikebrighton can do about it.

And it makes me sick to my stomach and makes me honestly consider what the point is of supporting a #teamlikebrighton.

 

[Randy McNob]

What on earth are you talking about? Not clear beyond doubt that it was a hand? Well, as the onfield decision was goal then it HAS to be be beyond doubt that it was a hand to overrule it. If there is an angle that shows this beyond doubt then fine but I haven't seen one.

I agree with you, but your issue is how VAR is used or interpreted rather than the rule. Once VAR comes into the decision making then the letter of the law and fine margins come into play.

You can't say whether the keeper would have saved it had it not clipped Mcalister on the way

 

[pasty]

It really does
The PGMOL are in a multi billion pound industry proving to be an inefficient, inept and incompetent bunch of muppets
But they’re absolutely Teflon - they can just cock up with impunity every week
Every
Feckin
Week

And no one, no one can do anything about it.

And you have to ask yourself why

And the answer seems to me that it’s because the top clubs are less likely, statistically, to be impacted adversely
That is because they will benefit because they will have more goal scoring opportunities corrected on average by VAR.

So the top clubs will always be for VAR, and there’s nothing that the likes of #teamslikebrighton can do about it.

And it makes me sick to my stomach and makes me honestly consider what the point is of supporting a #teamlikebrighton.

Absolutely spot on. Could you imagine the shitstorm in the media if all those decisions yesterday had gone against Spurs and not us? There would be calls for Atwell never to ref a Spurs game again, calls for Salisbury to be sacked, and calls for Webb to come forward and explain everything.

 

[tstanbur]

All the incidents shown here in detail.

That Perisic challenge is horrendous too!



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[beorhthelm]

I agree with you, but your issue is how VAR is used or interpreted rather than the rule. Once VAR comes into the decision making then the letter of the law and fine margins come into play.

You can't say whether the keeper would have saved it had it not clipped Mcalister on the way

the letter of the law is this is subjective so VAR should only overrule if there is a clear and obvious error.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Absolutely spot on. Could you imagine the shitstorm in the media if all those decisions yesterday had gone against Spurs and not us? There would be calls for Atwell never to ref a Spurs game again, calls for Salisbury to be sacked, and calls for Webb to come forward and explain everything.

Yup, this is where I am too. Imagine, in an alternate reality as of course it would never have happened in this one, that those decisions went against Alex Ferguson's Manchester United? The media storm would be front page news and the ramifications would be literally game changing. Jobs would be lost overnight and the rules rewritten within a week.