[Albion] Moises Caicedo - New contract signed until summer 2027 with 1 year extra option.

[Stato]

What bids have we had? None worth while - because we are seen as little Brighton, who've never sold anybody for more than £10M. We might think it was great that we turned down £20M for Dunk when he should have been sold for $40M - but nobody was offering £40M, not for a player from Brighton! And were we really so afraid of Duffy playing for another team in the EPL ? - we must still be a bit small then ............... Then even Celtic wouldn't buy him. That also begs the question as to why weren't we afraid of Stephens playing for a rival? As far as not paying for reserve keepers is concerned, I believe we paid seven figure fees for both Button and Steele. Arsenal, on the other hand, just borrow one from us.
We buy - but we can't sell, not big anyway. whether you like it or not, that is a barrier we have to get past if we are to progress. Until we do we will remain, in the eyes of potential buyers for any of our players, a smaller club (and therefore likely to receive lower bids for our players) than the likes of Southampton, Leicester, etc., thus reducing our purchasing power within the context of sustainability.

Leicester got stupid money for Mahrez, Drinkwater and Kante because those players won the league, not because the purchasers thought 'Oh, it's Leicester, we'd better offer more money.' The value is in how much the buyer wants the player not what they think of the seller. Liverpool paid stupid money for Van Dijk because of how good he is, not because they think Southampton are a big club. Man Utd overspent on Maguire because they were desperate for a centre back and he is England's captain. You seem to be suggesting that we have somehow failed because we haven't sold anyone for a massive transfer fee, missing the point that since he sold Ulloa, seven years ago, Tony Bloom has refused to sell any of our best players. I'd bet that, when he eventually does decide to sell someone who he'd prefer to keep, he will take the buyer for every last penny, regardless of their opinion of Brighton.

 

[Justice]

Please can everyone stop saying it’ll be impossible to not sell our players. We’ve sat at the top table (down the shit end admittedly) for 4 years now. Any serious domestic competitors will know Tony and how he operates. We, like every other club, take losses on some players and we will certainly hold out for TOP dollar if someone comes calling for our top ‘hyped’ talent (Lamptey/White and the emerging Biss). And they will all come at some point and they’ll know that low-balling Bloom is a poor strategy - as evidenced by Leeds

Apart from White have ever had any serious bids for our players? Bit of fuss around Dunk and that’s about it. It’s easy playing one half of the transfer market although we are a bit rubbish at the other half trying to land our main targets. We had a two three week head start on Nunez and still didn’t get him through the door. Bids started at £12m Benefica went straight in at £20m + their main striker target went to Man Utd and they had to get a forward in. I believe we finally matched the offer although by then the deal was gone.

 

[albionalex]

What bids have we had? None worth while - because we are seen as little Brighton, who've never sold anybody for more than £10M.

We sold Knockaert for £15million, which, if you look where he is now, was a fantastic bit of selling.

As far as not paying for reserve keepers is concerned, I believe we paid seven figure fees for both Button and Steele. Arsenal, on the other hand, just borrow one from us.

Jason Steele was a free transfer (he wasn't out of contract, Sunderland literally just wanted him gone so didn't ask for a fee). Arsenal spent seven figures on a reserve keeper in the summer.

We buy - but we can't sell, not big anyway. whether you like it or not, that is a barrier we have to get past if we are to progress. Until we do we will remain, in the eyes of potential buyers for any of our players, a smaller club (and therefore likely to receive lower bids for our players) than the likes of Southampton, Leicester, etc., thus reducing our purchasing power within the context of sustainability.

I don't really understand what you're saying. Because we haven't sold any players for big money, we won't receive any big money bids in the future? And therefore we're bad at selling? Yes, we haven't sold anyone for more than £20million but over the past few seasons, who on our team would command such a fee? Only Dunk? Maybe Gross at the end of his 1st season? You have to have top players to command top dollar and it's only now that we have that with Lamptey and Bissouma.

 

[albionalex]

To get back to the topic of Caicedo, on the latest Football, The Albion and Three episode, Andy Naylor says that his understanding is that Caicedo won't be going on loan straight away but will train with the 1st team so Potter can assess him. Then, it's likely he'll go on loan in the summer.

Obviously he could impress enough that a loan move doesn't end up happening.

 

[Frankworthington]

Apart from White have ever had any serious bids for our players? Bit of fuss around Dunk and that’s about it. It’s easy playing one half of the transfer market although we are a bit rubbish at the other half trying to land our main targets. We had a two three week head start on Nunez and still didn’t get him through the door. Bids started at £12m Benefica went straight in at £20m + their main striker target went to Man Utd and they had to get a forward in. I believe we finally matched the offer although by then the deal was gone.[/QUOTE
Lol

 

[pornomagboy]

if he had signed last week then flew over for medical could he be eligible for tomorrow's game with self isolating

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[Machiavelli]

What bids have we had? None worth while.

You are Paul Barber and I claim my £5.
You don't know this, neither do I, but we do know:
-- we sold Knockaert to Fulham for £10-15m, against the better judgment of most/many fans, who they no longer fancy
-- Leeds put in several bids for White in the summer window, the last one in the region of £25m. We turned them all down
-- several PL clubs have been sniffing around Dunk for a number of transfer windows, probably offering even larger sums, but Bloom decided it wasn't the right time to sell our biggest asset and heartbeat of the club

There are probably several others that we don't know about (unless you do wear mustard sweaters), but broadly you're right, we haven't sold m/any players for big money. But my strong suspicion is that we won't be saying this at the end of the summer window, and that 'the conveyor belt' system is all part of Bloom's plan. The most sought after players on our books will be Lamptey, Bissouma and White. I don't think all three will go in the summer, but I expect one or two to go, with the latter two the most likely.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

I don't think all three will go in the summer, but I expect one or two to go, with the latter two the most likely.

If Bloom's long term plan is top 10 or above, then it should be paramount we keep them for another season, rather than let a new player how has only been here for 6 months fill those big boots.

We don't need the money

 

[Uncle C]

Why when I come here to look for news on Caicedo do I have to read through a load of dross on selling players. Why don't you start your own thread instead of high jacking this one?

 

[JonnyCLately]

To get back to the topic of Caicedo, on the latest Football, The Albion and Three episode, Andy Naylor says that his understanding is that Caicedo won't be going on loan straight away but will train with the 1st team so Potter can assess him. Then, it's likely he'll go on loan in the summer.

Obviously he could impress enough that a loan move doesn't end up happening.

That makes sense - his highlights reel looks excellent, however the pace of Ecuadorian football is significantly slower than here, and the player's first touches give him more chances to block and tackle - he won't get that here. He's clearly a talent but will need lots of time to adjust and a 6-8month period of training with the big boys will help enormously with that. If we sell Bissouma as per the comments above then we have Moder to step in - more experience and better adjusted to European/EPL football. If he is massively impressive then GP can make a call during that time.

I'm not sure we should be too impatient with this lad - he will take a while to come up to speed IMO

 

[Gazwag]

If Bloom's long term plan is top 10 or above, then it should be paramount we keep them for another season, rather than let a new player how has only been here for 6 months fill those big boots.

We don't need the money

I don't think even Tony Bloom could have envisaged a global pandemic so I think his long term plan might have changed since he said that, nobody knows when football will return properly, its not going to be this season, maybe even not until part way through the next before we see a full Amex again, until then its costing him maybe a million a week.

 

[dazzer6666]

if he had signed last week then flew over for medical could he be eligible for tomorrow's game with self isolating

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Not a chance he’ll play......

 

[Gwylan]

All I see is news that the Caicedo deal is nearly finalised - and it's been like that for about a week now. People are talking about whether he's going out on loand, but has he actually signed yet?

And where is he? We saw him leaving an airport two days ago, any idea where in the world he is right now?

 

[schmunk]

And where is he? We saw him leaving an airport two days ago, any idea where in the world he is right now?

Well, he boarded Ulloa Airlines flight 321 on Saturday so... ...oh no!

 

[Beanstalk]

if he had signed last week then flew over for medical could he be eligible for tomorrow's game with self isolating

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If Thomas Tuchel doesn't have to isolate as he is joining an "elite sports environment" I highly doubt Moises will have to.

The reality is, providing negative tests, he will be available probably as of Feb but we won't see him until a bench appearance against Leicester. You know how we do!

 

[Uncle C]

Well, he boarded Ulloa Airlines flight 221 on Saturday so... ...oh no!

I know that Brighton are very good at keeping things secret, but this has taken it to a new level. Once a player is in the UK, fans normally get a snapshot of what's happening. I put it down to Lockdown with everyone at home.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

If Bloom's long term plan is top 10 or above, then it should be paramount we keep them for another season, rather than let a new player how has only been here for 6 months fill those big boots.

We don't need the money

I believe the club's accounts are due to be published today, which might cast that last line in a different light.

Yes, it's probably true that TB and the club will survive quite comfortably without selling players, but constantly paying out more transfer fees and wages without recouping much isn't the sustainable model that everyone would like. .

 

[severnside gull]

Today could be the day........

....or if not, tomorrow

 

[Bob!]

All I see is news that the Caicedo deal is nearly finalised - and it's been like that for about a week now. People are talking about whether he's going out on loand, but has he actually signed yet?

And where is he? We saw him leaving an airport two days ago, any idea where in the world he is right now?

Medical was due yesterday apparently. Over to Shoreham today to get pictures in the shirt, announced tonight?

 

[GT49er]

You are Paul Barber and I claim my £5.
You don't know this, neither do I, but we do know:
-- we sold Knockaert to Fulham for £10-15m, against the better judgment of most/many fans, who they no longer fancy
-- Leeds put in several bids for White in the summer window, the last one in the region of £25m. We turned them all down
-- several PL clubs have been sniffing around Dunk for a number of transfer windows, probably offering even larger sums, but Bloom decided it wasn't the right time to sell our biggest asset and heartbeat of the club.

No. you and I don't know the exact figured, but £10M was widely quoted for Knocky. Your post is the first time I've seen the fantasy figure of £15M suggested, and I call bollocks - I still suggest that, as previously stated, we've ever sold anyone for above £10M or so. Actually, £10M for Knocky was a good price - an exception to the rule, but still only a £10M deal, not propelling us into the big league as far as selling is concerned.
It was universally agreed on here that Leeds' bid for White was derisory, so yes, we have received no bids that were worthwhile.

As far as selling is concerned, we are not in the place that we need to be yet.