ministers today launched a £12 million scheme to combat the spread of right-wing extr

[coventrygull]

Are you in poverty or starvation? Or anyone else on NSC?

Wealth condensation is a Marxist viewpoint, are you thinking of jumping ship Cov?

I may not live in poverty but I am aware of the misery and starvation that goes on in the world. I understand why people risk their lives by coming here. I don't blame them. I blame the system.

As for jumping ship. I have and always will have a social conscience and if some of my ideas appear left wing. Then so be it

 

[London Calling]

I would settle for a Third Position beyond left and right.

Mr C Gull. i HAVE OFTEN wanted to know a bit more about the third poistion, any good and sensible links for a digestable bit of gen.

 

[El Presidente]

MORE SPIN EL PRES

That's more like it Steve, four words that both fail to address an issue, are incoherent........... and a smilie at the end of course

 

[coventrygull]

Some are, some aren't. When you go abroad for your holidays, I bet you go into English bars and watch Sky Sports, but is there anything wrong with that?

Do you really think I go on that type of holiday

 

[El Presidente]

I may not live in poverty but I am aware of the misery and starvation that goes on in the world. I understand why people risk their lives by coming here. I don't blame them. I blame the system.

As for jumping ship. I have and always will have a social conscience and if some of my ideas appear left wing. Then so be it

I know you are a good egg Cov, and are a Marxist at heart, despite your support for the BNP. 70 years of Communism showed that alternative systems don't necessarily work any better than the capitalist model though. There will always be winners and losers whatever government model is utilised.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

That's more like it Steve, four words that both fail to address an issue, are incoherent........... and a smilie at the end of course

spin for spin EL PRES ,its going over old ground but send them back is the answer , you know it makes sense

 

[El Presidente]

spin for spin EL PRES ,its going over old ground but send them back is the answer , you know it makes sense

Would you send me back to Ireland, and if so, how much would you pay me to go?

 

[coventrygull]

Mr C Gull. i HAVE OFTEN wanted to know a bit more about the third poistion, any good and sensible links for a digestable bit of gen.

http://www.folkandfaith.com is not bad.

S Y N T H E S I S - Journal du Cercle de la Rose Noire.. This is by Palace fan Troy Southgate.

There are quite a few National Anarchist sites on the web. The bay area national anarchist is quite a good site.

I don't agree with everything but they are quite interesting

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Would you send me back to Ireland, and if so, how much would you pay me to go?

I'll ask willie walsh

 

[Brovion]

No missed that one. When was it?

It was basically a re-working of the 'a dog born in a stable isn't a horse' argument. A couple of BNP officials or ex-officials were saying that Ashley Cole wasn't British despite the fact he was born here. The reason they gave was that "you can't compare people who've been here 40 years with people who've been here 40,000"'

Now as far as 'level 1' repatriation is concerned I may be opposed to it ethically and morally but I can see how it could work on a practical basis. You check everybody's birth certificate and all those who weren't born here are 'asked' to go back to their place of origin.

However once you start expanding that to all the people who WERE born here - how far back do you go? And even if you say 'one generation' - how do you deal with the people who are half-immigrant and half-native Brit?

Some BNP supporters would say, perhaps reluctantly but they would say, that these native-born 'immigrants' DO qualify as 'British' and can stay. However there are swathes of BNP members and supporters who would still class them as immigrants to be deported. How and where? And perhaps we should get ready to welcome back all the white immigrants who left these shores to go to places like America, Australia and Africa.

Genuine question: Assuming the BNP win the next election is there a specific set of rules that the sets out the criteria for differentiating between 'British' and 'Immigrant'? Things like length of ancestral residence, amout of blood dilution, contribution to society, etc etc.

 

[The Grockle]

I agree. BUT - there are also a huge number of positives which the blinkered and xenophobic on here refuse to acknowledge. That is until their Muslim doctor gives them a life saving blood transfusion or some such.

True but the benefits will never be felt by all. For example polish people coming to work in coffee shops, cleaning houses, doing menial tasks that lazy brits are not prepared to do for lower wages is great for us as consumers but try highlighting the positives to British people working in the construction industry who have been shat on by an influx of polish or Romanian tradesmen.

We do have a right to complain about negative migration without being labeled racist and as long as mainstream parties pussyfoot around the issue people will shift their support to the BNP or the like.

 

[coventrygull]

I know you are a good egg Cov, and are a Marxist at heart, despite your support for the BNP. 70 years of Communism showed that alternative systems don't necessarily work any better than the capitalist model though. There will always be winners and losers whatever government model is utilised.

I am not sure about being a marxist but the capitalist model is flawed. Its about going beyond these old models that do not work and look at alternative ideas.

True there are always winners and losers but its about time the majority won and the few lost.

 

[Common as Mook]

True but the benefits will never be felt by all. For example polish people coming to work in coffee shops, cleaning houses, doing menial tasks that lazy brits are not prepared to do for lower wages is great for us as consumers but try highlighting the positives to British people working in the construction industry who have been shat on by an influx of polish or Romanian tradesmen.

We do have a right to complain about negative migration without being labeled racist and as long as mainstream parties pussyfoot around the issue people will shift their support to the BNP or the like.

As much as some of the negatives won't be felt by all.

There is room for reasoned argument as long as both sides of the coin are mutually appreciated. This is something that will NEVER happen with the likes of the BNP

 

[User removed 4]

How has your life - YOURS - been affected by this *cough* massive influx?

Do you have to have a prayer mat? Read the Qu'ran? Fast during Ramadan?

I'm genuinely curious as to what aspect of your society and environment has made you feel so alienated.

I doubt his life has been affected or yours,and you know it, you both live in sussex, perhaps you should ask some of the white working classes who have lived all their lives in places like tooting, tower hamlets or northern mill towns, im quite sure you wouldnt get the nice,cosy response backing up your "enlightened" point of view.

 

[El Presidente]

True but the benefits will never be felt by all. For example polish people coming to work in coffee shops, cleaning houses, doing menial tasks that lazy brits are not prepared to do for lower wages is great for us as consumers but try highlighting the positives to British people working in the construction industry who have been shat on by an influx of polish or Romanian tradesmen.

As a consumer should I care though?

Having been ripped off by a number of British tradesmen in the past I would rather spend my money on a reliable Polish plumber. You reap what you sow in life, and too many British tradesmen have relied on getting away with a mediocre product and poor customer service, then whine when someone does the job properly.

Consumer choice is good, creating monopolies is not, as there is nowhere else to go to and as a consumer you get shafted.

 

[coventrygull]

It was basically a re-working of the 'a dog born in a stable isn't a horse' argument. A couple of BNP officials or ex-officials were saying that Ashley Cole wasn't British despite the fact he was born here. The reason they gave was that "you can't compare people who've been here 40 years with people who've been here 40,000"'

Now as far as 'level 1' repatriation is concerned I may be opposed to it ethically and morally but I can see how it could work on a practical basis. You check everybody's birth certificate and all those who weren't born here are 'asked' to go back to their place of origin.

However once you start expanding that to all the people who WERE born here - how far back do you go? And even if you say 'one generation' - how do you deal with the people who are half-immigrant and half-native Brit?

Some BNP supporters would say, perhaps reluctantly but they would say, that these native-born 'immigrants' DO qualify as 'British' and can stay. However there are swathes of BNP members and supporters who would still class them as immigrants to be deported. How and where? And perhaps we should get ready to welcome back all the white immigrants who left these shores to go to places like America, Australia and Africa.

Genuine question: Assuming the BNP win the next election is there a specific set of rules that the sets out the criteria for differentiating between 'British' and 'Immigrant'? Things like length of ancestral residence, amout of blood dilution, contribution to society, etc etc.

Was that the interview with Mark Collett? Actually there is a huge debate going on in the BNP regarding this issue. It was going on long before EHRC court case.

I think you will find that the BNP do not have a policy of forced repatriation. That anyone who is here legally is welcome to stay if they contribute to our society and do not attempt to change our way of life. ( I am more concerned at the americanisation of our culture than that of Islam)

People that wish to leave will be offered money to leave. I understand that this happens in Spain and Japan

 

[El Presidente]

I doubt his life has been affected or yours,and you know it, you both live in sussex, perhaps you should ask some of the white working classes who have lived all their lives in places like tooting, tower hamlets or northern mill towns, im quite sure you wouldnt get the nice,cosy response backing up your "enlightened" point of view.

Bushy, this weekend, just in case..........double bag it mate, some of the birds from the mill towns that surround me are a bit 'too' friendly, if you know what I mean, and you don't want to return down south with a present you didn't ask for

 

[User removed 4]

No, apart from the ones we've had for centuries.

where exactly are these ghettoes that have been around for "centuries" ?? the only one i can think of is a street called old jewry in the city of london,which doesnt actaully house any jews now and hasnt since the 16th century, i'd be interested to know where these other centuries old ones are ? hopefully you can tell me ?

 

[El Presidente]

I think you will find that the BNP do not have a policy of forced repatriation. That anyone who is here legally is welcome to stay if they contribute to our society and do not attempt to change our way of life. ( I am more concerned at the americanisation of our culture than that of Islam)

Does that mean that Rupert Murdoch and all his odious publications and TV channels can f*** RIGHT OFF then?

Cos if so.................

 

[El Presidente]

where exactly are these ghettoes that have been around for "centuries" ?? the only one i can think of is a street called old jewry in the city of london,which doesnt actaully house any jews now and hasnt since the 16th century, i'd be interested to know where these other centuries old ones are ? hopefully you can tell me ?

There are Irish ghettos in Manchester and Liverpool that have been here for ages. If you go to the Cheetham Hill or Crumpsall area of Manchester with a foreskin you will stand out too!