Mcghee invites fans down to the training ground to witness "team spirit"

[HampshireSeagulls]

I read and hear all kinds of rumours, from Kuipers and White fighting before the coach trip to Southampton, to Oatway telling a friend that team spirit is the worst he has ever known since joining albion. Some rumours gather pace, others vanish, those that gather pace are further fueled by the inclusion of the press in what should remain confidental matters.
If you continue to stoke a fire it will burn, if asked why Kuipers was dropped, the answer is simple, he was injured or an internal incident has happened and is being dealt with. Full criticism of a player will have a negative effect some people, it can work positively for others. However numerous public attacks on numerous employees can only be poor for morale.
Hampshire Seagull, can I ask you what would you think if numerous numbers of your staff were unhappy or causing problems?

I'd look at lots of different things. It can be anything (with us) from duty rosters being changed to approaching deployments/tours, or it can be personal lives. We also have to be aware that some of the lower-level managers need assistance and encouragement if they are not to upset those below them. Similar in the way to using experienced and older members of a team to bring on the youth, we have to be careful that any negativity is identified and solved - bad atmospheres spread very quickly, and a perceived problem soon becomes a real one. Frequently, it can be something as simple as a misunderstood comment, or one of the lower-level managers misinterpreting something and reacting badly, exacerbating the situation. There are many reasons that things can go wrong, but as a manager it's our job to keep things as even and level as possible, ensuring that people can do their jobs with the minimum of disruption. I would also have to look at me, and see if I was disrupting the people below me with the things that I was doing or saying (but then again my manager would probably have identified that as a problem quite quickly). I would avoid, at all costs, going to an outside agency for assistance as this only puts a spotlight on the problems that may be there. There are reams and reams of books on this subject, so a thread reply won't cover it - suffice to say that I have been formally trained to internationally recognised standards during my career, and those above me are trained harder and longer!

 

[The Large One]

I should think Race (and Tank) must be pissed off to the back teeth with the gross misrepresentations being made of the management and playing squad being put on here. Rumour here / Tittle tattle there = McGhee has lost the plot? Give over.

Even when Tank put a flat rebuttal of the FDM/coach rumour/incident on here, people disbelieved him and incinuated deceit.

I, for one, am very much looking forward to the shirt sponsors dinner next month and meeting a tightly-knit hard-working playing squad and management team.

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

I thought he was OK, until he got animated when one somebody questioned what McCammon brought to the side. It was hardly professional.

I remember that! Thought he made a fair point that the fact as we only stayed up by a point meant that everyone at the club\'s efforts, including McCammon\'s were required and without that we would have gone down.

 

[Gritt23]

No I'm suggesting that Mcghee shuts the f*** up in the press about this before more damage is done!

I disagree. There are some things that should remain in house, but on occasions I think we should be told if the players are throwing their toys out of the pram at being dropped.

Judging by the stories that have broken since Leon left, it would seem MM is quite prepared to keep a lot of it in house before he does divulge things to the press. Suggests to me that FDM get's a bit precious about his place, and does tend to take it badly when he's left out.

Also, I don't think that's a bad thing. MM opening the gates to the training ground is suggesting just that as well. yeah, he's unhappy at being left out, but come and watch training and you'll see how determined he is to get back in.

If McGhee was frightened to drop players, THEN we would have something to whinge about.

 

[dwayne]

I remember that! Thought he made a fair point that the fact as we only stayed up by a point meant that everyone at the club\'s efforts, including McCammon\'s were required and without that we would have gone down.

He went OTT but he was loyal to his player and defended him, which was great, let's see some more of that this season lardo.

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

If McGhee was frightened to drop players, THEN we would have something to whinge about.

Like Sven and him not willing to drop certain England players due to their \"reputation\".


I don\'t think anyone is saying it\'s ideal, but the players that are having the tantrums are the major cause of McGhee having to go public with what\'s going on. As someone mentioned earlier players that have been dropped and come back (Hart/Butters for example) have done so because they haven\'t moaned in public and got down and worked hard and rightly won their places back.

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

He went OTT but he was loyal to his player and defended him, which was great, let\'s see some more of that this season lardo.

Why did you think it was OTT?

 

[The Large One]

So you dont think the players are capable of putting on the correct display when fans might be present?

Surely most of this stuff has happened behind closed doors or simply where only the team are present?

I would welcome the opportunity to ask him why he has done some of the things he has this season but would anticipate the usual stock answers given in the press which i have personally decided arent good enough for me.

What little faith you have in human nature. 'OK boys, everyone on their best behaviour today, some fans are coming and they think no-one here gets on with each other...' Quite rightly, the players would roll their eyes to the sky, and McGhee would get choruses of 'f*** off, boss'. And Bob Booker would probably join them.

This story (or non-story) has got way out of proportion. A couple of players got the hump with being dropped. That's their problem, and they tried to make it McGhee's problem. Maybe. Or (and this happens every single day at every single club), there are differences of opinion between boss and a player. Which is VASTLY different from falling out to the point of not being picked again.

 

[Black Country Seagull]

Judging by the display on Saturday in the first half, you could safely say Mcghee has not lost the changing room as they say. Now if it gets to that stage, then it is time to panic!
I think a major reason why people are concerned is even when we went down under coppell and last season, we looked like we could stay up, we looked like we may get a goal here or there. That sadly is not the case. Stats are worrying since the the second half of last season and people will site that for their concerns. Changing managers may work in the short term, but look what happened with forest under Kinnear, saved them one season, took them down the next. Unless you can get a manager who can guarentee signing a couple of good loan signings then whats the point in sacking MM?

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

You cannot sack a man because you haven't given him the resources he needs to do his job.

Just compare how well Coppell is doing at Reading now, with all the resources he needs at his disposal, with how he performed for us.

At Reading - heading for the Premiership.

At Brighton - headed for league one.

You cannot judge McGhee fairly under the circumstances & resources he currently has to work with. He has managed Leicester & Wolves successfully when he had those resources available to him.

Who could do a better job under the same circumstances ? Coppell ? No.

And let's face it, judging on his current performance he was hardly useless.

There are some people who need to remember that we don't have the money to compete in this league, & until we do, ANY manager is going to struggle.

 

[Uncle Buck]

You cannot judge McGhee fairly under the circumstances & resources he currently has to work with. He has managed Leicester & Wolves successfully when he had those resources available to him.

He actually got Leicester relegated from the Premiership and then jumped ship to go to Wolves.

At Wolves he spent a bucket load of cash, I think got them to the play offs once and managed to get them to a cup semi. However he did not get them up, which is what he was brought in to do.

 

[The Large One]

He actually got Leicester relegated from the Premiership and then jumped ship to go to Wolves.

At Wolves he spent a bucket load of cash, I think got them to the play offs once and managed to get them to a cup semi. However he did not get them up, which is what he was brought in to do.

Him and countless others.

 

[dwayne]

Him and countless others.

he was a BIG failure at each, just ask the respective fans of those teams TLO.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Him and countless others.

But the previous poster said that he was succesful with those clubs, when in fact he failed.

He was a success at Reading and Millwall, but certainly at Millwall the team he inherited from Keith Stevens was always going to do well, I guess a similar situation to the one Mullery inherited from Peter Taylor the First.

 

[Brighton4eva]

Maybe we should all go along and take our boots with us - you never know our elusive striker could be signed from the NSC !!!

 

[shaolinpunk]

challenge them to a game ^_^

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

Maybe we should all go along and take our boots with us - you never know our elusive striker could be signed from the NSC !!!

I was thinking that the other day. I know a few people who are pretty good but don\'t play for any clubs. Surely there\'s someone out there that could do the business. Anyone know of a tall strong striker that\'s quick and can put the ball in the net?!?!

 

[Icy Gull]

He actually got Leicester relegated from the Premiership and then jumped ship to go to Wolves.

At Wolves he spent a bucket load of cash, I think got them to the play offs once and managed to get them to a cup semi. However he did not get them up, which is what he was brought in to do.

I may be wrong but I believe Leicester were as good as down when he took over from Little? Even we had beaten them twice in the cup. But let's put all the blame on him.

Wolves have had some very good managers who failed to get them promoted. Wasn't Dave Jones there as well. I think Cardiff fans quite rate him don't they? Did a good job at Southampton

MM took Millwall to a whisker of the Premiership. He got Reading promoted and he even got lil ol Brighton into the CCC and kept them there against the odds. (waits for Kinky to suggest Muffin the mule could have achieved the Millwall promotion)

I think his management career stats are as good if not better than anyone else who's available.

 

[Black Country Seagull]

I was thinking that the other day. I know a few people who are pretty good but don\'t play for any clubs. Surely there\'s someone out there that could do the business. Anyone know of a tall strong striker that\'s quick and can put the ball in the net?!?!

what about a plum barrell who knows where the 5 a side net is!

 

[Seagull73]

he was a BIG failure at each, just ask the respective fans of those teams TLO.

Yes, and then reel off the other managers for whom those very supporters think exactly the same......

And quantify failure. Are you saying that staying up this year will quantify failure?