albionalex
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Ahh, I was aware of this one but there is no mention of Ryan?
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[Albion] Maty Ryan joins Arsenal
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Ahh, I was aware of this one but there is no mention of Ryan?
albionalex
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It's been well reported Maupay was dropped for having an argument with another player but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere that it was Ryan?
albionfan37
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It was Ryan I’m fairly sure Naylor tweeted it and Owen also
GT49er
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It was public because Ryan went public with it! He was dropped because he was not saving enough goals - Sanchez was brought in and did well and won the place; Steele is doing a good job as a number 2 GK. Just football - no conspiracy theories, just how it was - player replaced by a better one.
Potter explained the situation, understood if Matey wanted to move on; Maty did. Shouldn't have said as much as he did, or how he did, but now he's moved on. End of (apart from how it all pans out when they send him back in July).
albionalex
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Nope, neither have.
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Skaville
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Skaville
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Written two days after Maty was dropped, once again corroborating Maty’s version of events.
https://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/sport/national/18955289.graham-potter-admits-mat-ryan-heading-brighton-exit/
It’s another article explaining the decision. He wasn’t dropped solely because of form, it was the attributes Sanchez has, a big commanding keeper (or a monster as GP recently put it). He no longer fitted, same as Glenn, same as Duffy and Knocky. They moved away from the low block, you need a bigger keeper to deal with crosses and set pieces.
The difference with this one was the decision seems pretty ruthless - one day you’re number one, the next you can leave. Once again I will state, I have no issue with the decision, I just don’t think you can blame Ryan for being gutted about it.
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Badger Boy
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- Jan 28, 2016
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I think the funniest thing about Ryan this season is how many people refused to believe his level of performance had dropped off a cliff. They refused to accept he had to be replaced because he was no longer up to the standard. Some people were abusive to those of us who noticed Ryan was no longer good enough last season.
Anyway, now there's real revisionism ongoing in this thread. Everyone seems to have been wise to his drop in form and everyone seems to agree that he was and is past his best and needed to be replaced. Sanchez has been brilliant but even if he wasn't brilliant, he probably would still have been better than Ryan's performances in the last 12 months.
Anyway, now there's real revisionism ongoing in this thread. Everyone seems to have been wise to his drop in form and everyone seems to agree that he was and is past his best and needed to be replaced. Sanchez has been brilliant but even if he wasn't brilliant, he probably would still have been better than Ryan's performances in the last 12 months.
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Yep I remember being laughed at for suggesting that Maty needed some genuine competition, to encourage him to raise his less than impressive early season form. I confess I didn’t see him being frozen out completely though.
Skaville
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I think most people accepted the club were looking to add competition in the goalkeeping department during the close season given how strongly we were bring linked to Martinez. Warren confirmed it again the other day.
What I don’t think anyone foresaw was us not adding experienced competition AND moving Maty on. That’s a hell of a shift in the space of four months.
I was one of those who defended Ryan for a long time (but especially in the post-lockdown 8 games of last season) as I thought he made no real mistakes and got to much shit for letting in very difficult goals. After the first few games this season I started to think "hmm" and when Potter put Sanchez in goal vs Spurs I thought "good, Maty should consider this a warning". Nothing improved and I think both me and GP thought "enough is enough" at the exact same moment - when Leicester scored the 1-0 goal I posted in the Ryan thread that I had joined the "Ryan out" cult. With hindsight maybe the decision should have been made earlier but at least it was made at all.
In general I think you should be patient with players in general and keepers in particular though and when/if Sanchez goes on a bad run I'll defend him as well. But there is a limit to everything
Well... did he perform better once he got decent competition (Sanchez returning)..? I still dont think competition for goalkeepers does any good generally speaking. I much prefer to have a clear nr 1 and a clear nr 2. If you have competition on outfield player roles you can give both players minutes and a chance to compete while in the keeper role that turns very wonky - it turns into a situation where someone is more threatening your place rather than competing for it. Which is why I'm also happy Ryan left the club entirely to prevent Sanchez from getting dark thoughts and fears if he would make a mistake or two.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I think the situation has worked out fine. Arsenal have got an upgrade on their reserve keeper, while we have got a different sort of keeper who has rejuvenated the defence in front of him, and which underpins our unbeaten run of 6 Prem matches.
I salute Mat Ryan, I wish him well in the future and acknowledge he was amazing value, a top pro and he did a great job for us for 3 important seasons in our history.
I salute Mat Ryan, I wish him well in the future and acknowledge he was amazing value, a top pro and he did a great job for us for 3 important seasons in our history.
100% spot on.
I’ve long maintained Maty, Dale and Proper were not good enough if we wanted to push onto the next level. (“Oh youre ignorant, you don’t appreciate the value they add to the team”, “Biss isn’t consistent enough”, “Maty is a top 6 keeper and look at these short passing stats” (ignoring the most important stats for a keeper).
Well Potter is 2/3 now and I suspect Proper will be next.
KeegansHairPiece
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- Jan 28, 2016
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Who hasn't actually maintained these things in all honesty to most of the squad? Most people realise we don't have £20m+ to spend on each position, so needs must. Maty isn't suddenly a bad keeper, why would Arteta take him if he was? Just that Sanchez has emerged as being ready and better. I doubt Potter or even Sanchez would have known that was going to the be the case until he started playing. Wouldn't be surprised with Walton back to fitness that some economics came into too with Maty being a high earner in the side.
And is this the Propper who Potter handed a new contract to last year keeping him here until 2023?
Many many here on NSC felt Maty was a good enough keeper for us and didn’t need to be replaced. The gentleman I quoted is entirely correct. That is all
KeegansHairPiece
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Not really, Maty is a good enough keeper, but we developed better from within. He may well go on to be a good keeper for someone else in the PL. It’s not really confirmation of the different held opinions either way. As GP would say ‘it is what it is’.
But he’s not a good enough goalkeeper, hence GP and the club replacing him.
In fact he had one of the worst save percentages in the entire league. https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ryan-brighton-spot-under-threat-4753433
The fact that every shot on target went in is a clue. Has our entire defensive turn of form since Sanchez has replaced him passed you by? If that’s not confirmation I don’t know what is.
albionalex
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What people are overlooking is that part of the reason Ryan's save % was so low was that he was facing few savable shots. The issue was that he then wasn't saving some of the ones he should be. As you can see, Sanchez's performance in this respect is almost literally off the charts (and doesn't take into account the other upgrades he brings over Ryan like his coming and claiming crosses etc.).
