Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Motogull]

Or perhaps you would now expect us to lock down every flu season as well?

Bit silly that fella.

Covid is still very much a work in progress in terms of scientific knowledge. As I'm seeing it, 'flu is a short term illness which appears not to be the case with Covid.

I hate the idea of not unlocking but am minded to trust the scientists over the utter mess of our PM.

 

[Motogull]

I've heard of secondary infections, this is the first time I've heard of someone having it three times. This pandemic has been ongoing for 18 months or so now, presumably he's had it every 6 months or so? Is he immunocompromised? Or works in health care? Not many 19 year old will have been offered double jabs

He was jabbed early because of a high risk family member. No immunocompromise concerns as far as I am aware. Not a healthcare worker. Whether he has been less than compliant, no idea either way. Uni student so he may have been a little relaxed about it. Either way, it suggests that a full unlock despite levels of jabs carries risk. The more we all do, the better.

Wear a mask and wear it properly.

 

[Albion Dan]

Ask a scientist matey. No idea.

The answer is never.

 

[Albion Dan]

Have people 'learned to die' with influenza? Or do they just live with it?

Sadly, tragically, 25,000 people die with flu every year in this country.

So surely you are just as terrified of flu, if not more so, as you are with covid.

Or perhaps you would now expect us to lock down every flu season as well?

In addition to the flu hypocrisy the laughable thing is millions of the people shatting themselves about never getting on with living with covid also eat mass processed food, drink loads of alcohol, and don’t do enough exercise which causes hundreds of thousands of people to die of cancer every year.

The only reason every one is still crapping it is the never ending media fear porn and mass infatuation with giving every scientist under the sun a mouth piece to have their five mins of fame and let this nonsense continue. Like you say thousands die of flu every year and no one ever notices because it’s not in the news. That’s how pathetically gullible and manipulated the masses have become.

If vaccines massively reduce hospitalisation and death, all vulnerable people have had their jabs now, it’s young people catching it but shown that they are almost no risk then what logic suggests we don’t get on with life? Anyway, unfortunately the herd have proven that are utterly idiotic and we are where we are. We’ll be conned into another lock down in Autumn, masses will lap it up whilst still queuing up for their annual doses of medicine, big pharma will get richer, freedom is never coming back, the biggest economic shock in living memory just around the corner as the money printing machines go brrrr until the whole system is bust beyond repair.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I know a 19 year old lad who has been diagnosed three times now. I guess the original, then maybe the Shepway one and now the Indian one. He had his second jab in early May. Maybe he has a susceptibility, who knows? This is far from over.

I blame the kunnts that can't position their mask over their noses.

You blame someone getting covid three time’s on people not wearing masks?

Nothing else, just people who are not wearing masks?

 

[Motogull]

You blame someone getting covid three time’s on people not wearing masks?

Nothing else, just people who are not wearing masks?

Of course not. I'm a kunnt too. But I wear a mask properly.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Of course not. I'm a kunnt too. But I wear a mask properly.

Ooo one of those kind....

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1416065993173045254?s=20


For goodness sake, we now have members of sage selling books to make a quick buck.

The same member of sage that labelled the lab leak as a conspiracy theory

 

[A1X]

Talking of the scientists

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I’m old enough to remember when people listened to them

 

[dsr-burnley]

Talking of the scientists

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I’m old enough to remember when people listened to them

Does the letter set out what the government ought to be doing? Or is it purely on the lines of "whatever decision you have made, I disagree"? These people purport to be experts. Let them set out exactly what course of action the government should be setting, and estimate how much difference it might make.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Bit silly that fella.

Covid is still very much a work in progress in terms of scientific knowledge. As I'm seeing it, 'flu is a short term illness which appears not to be the case with Covid.

I hate the idea of not unlocking but am minded to trust the scientists over the utter mess of our PM.

No, it's common for people (especially older people) to suffer long-term damage from flu. Some never get over it. "Long flu" is an illness that no-one has ever troubled to name, but it has always been there.

Quite a few things are not widely known about flu - for example, it kills about 150 children per year, a quarter of whom had no known health issues. For children, flu is a lot more dangerous than coronavirus.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Because only vulnerable people count, right? Young people might not die in the same numbers but they do still die, and many suffer from long Covid with the vast impact that has on their quality of life.

So far this year, excluding infants, 2,365 people have died under the age of 30 according to death certificates. 102 of them had covid when they died. The figures for 2020 were 4,413 deaths, 122 of them with covid. I don't know how many suffer from long covid, but in general the number who have been registered by their GP as having long covid is about a quarter of the number who have died. There's no reason to suppose the number of under-30's is running into thousands. Certainly young people are far less susceptible to long covid than old people , in the same way as they are less susceptible to all the other effects of the disease.

It's not that people don't care about the hundreds of young people badly affected by covid. Any more than people don't care about the rather larger numbers killed by motor vehicles. But there comes a point when the cure costs more (in lives as well as money) as the disease. "The greatest good of the greatest number" has to be considered by government and, by extension, by all of us.

 

[LamieRobertson]

So far this year, excluding infants, 2,365 people have died under the age of 30 according to death certificates. 102 of them had covid when they died. The figures for 2020 were 4,413 deaths, 122 of them with covid. I don't know how many suffer from long covid, but in general the number who have been registered by their GP as having long covid is about a quarter of the number who have died. There's no reason to suppose the number of under-30's is running into thousands. Certainly young people are far less susceptible to long covid than old people , in the same way as they are less susceptible to all the other effects of the disease.

It's not that people don't care about the hundreds of young people badly affected by covid. Any more than people don't care about the rather larger numbers killed by motor vehicles. But there comes a point when the cure costs more (in lives as well as money) as the disease. "The greatest good of the greatest number" has to be considered by government and, by extension, by all of us.

But only covid deaths count right? …and of course restrictions/lockdown has no adverse effects right?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Does the letter set out what the government ought to be doing? Or is it purely on the lines of "whatever decision you have made, I disagree"? These people purport to be experts. Let them set out exactly what course of action the government should be setting, and estimate how much difference it might make.

Nice phrase to use ‘let it rip’ …as though EVERYTHING is happening just from Monday …

 

[Weststander]

So far this year, excluding infants, 2,365 people have died under the age of 30 according to death certificates. 102 of them had covid when they died. The figures for 2020 were 4,413 deaths, 122 of them with covid. I don't know how many suffer from long covid, but in general the number who have been registered by their GP as having long covid is about a quarter of the number who have died. There's no reason to suppose the number of under-30's is running into thousands. Certainly young people are far less susceptible to long covid than old people , in the same way as they are less susceptible to all the other effects of the disease.

It's not that people don't care about the hundreds of young people badly affected by covid. Any more than people don't care about the rather larger numbers killed by motor vehicles. But there comes a point when the cure costs more (in lives as well as money) as the disease. "The greatest good of the greatest number" has to be considered by government and, by extension, by all of us.

What do young people think and want? From what I’ve seen in a packed Brighton seafront in the last few months and this replicates across Europe eg in the Netherlands, they want to live fulfilled lives, enjoying the freedoms we and every other gen of the last 60 years had. Not cocooned so that middle aged scientists can be proud that they prevented a tiny proportion getting long covid. Despite mass, close interaction over months now and the Delta variant being in the UK for three, young people are not filling UK hospital wards. The grand total of UK hospitalised Covid patients this week 1/10th of the 18th January peak of 39,254.

In any case, long covid isn’t chronic, as in forever. New experts in this field interviewed on R4 and R5 in recent weeks have pointed out that the majority are fully over it in months.

 

[darkwolf666]

It seems the NHS take long Covid in the young a little more seriously than posters on here... or are they just gripped by fear porn too?

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Talking of the scientists

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I’m old enough to remember when people listened to them

“Letting it rip”

Of course.

 

[A1X]

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Has now announced he won't self-isolate and will ignore the need to self-isolate. One rule for them (again).

 

[Randy McNob]

Boris has to isolate on Freedom day - you couldn't make it up

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[A1X]

It seems the NHS take long Covid in the young a little more seriously than posters on here... or are they just gripped by fear porn too?

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/

The NHS. What do they know about how to run a public healthcare system during a pandemic? Some people on here have watched YouTube videos which tell them differently.