Lineker Lodge

[Thunder Bolt]

You do realise that the Huguenots, at the very most numbered 50k. They were also Christians so assimilated well. They also held...and still hold the reputation as the finest lace workers in the world so turned England into the global centre of this trade (it was BIG in those days.

Contrast this with boatload, trainload, planeload truckload of stateless, tradeless peasants, and agricultural workers who do not have a Christian/ western outlook currently flowing into our ports and onto our beaches. It just isn’t the same ballpark...same state...same country.

The exception is Syria...and its war of aggression against its own people.

Before all that conflict Syria had an excellent educational system, decent healthcare, an affluent middle class and decent economy.

You can delude yourself that all of the asylum seekers are Syrian Doctors and Astrophysicists and humanitarians but you'd be dead wrong they might SAY they’re Syrian but interpreters speaking Arabic are finding that many actually speak Pashto or some other language...odd for Syrians...and many speak a variety of sub Saharan languages...again odd.

Those in need of harbour from war, persecution or genocide are welcome.. but we CANNOT solve the whole worlds poverty issue. We just can’t...we’ll, not without destroying our own country.

Yes, I know about the Huguenots.

You seemed to read part of my post where I pointed out some good and some bad, but then ignored the bit where I said we have to trust our Immigration Services to sort out the bad to deport them.

 

[portlock seagull]

You do realise that the Huguenots, at the very most numbered 50k. They were also Christians so assimilated well. They also held...and still hold the reputation as the finest lace workers in the world so turned England into the global centre of this trade (it was BIG in those days.

Contrast this with boatload, trainload, planeload truckload of stateless, tradeless peasants, and agricultural workers who do not have a Christian/ western outlook currently flowing into our ports and onto our beaches. It just isn’t the same ballpark...same state...same country.

The exception is Syria...and its war of aggression against its own people.

Before all that conflict Syria had an excellent educational system, decent healthcare, an affluent middle class and decent economy.

You can delude yourself that all of the asylum seekers are Syrian Doctors and Astrophysicists and humanitarians but you'd be dead wrong they might SAY they’re Syrian but interpreters speaking Arabic are finding that many actually speak Pashto or some other language...odd for Syrians...and many speak a variety of sub Saharan languages...again odd.

Those in need of harbour from war, persecution or genocide are welcome.. but we CANNOT solve the whole worlds poverty issue. We just can’t...we’ll, not without destroying our own country.

Seriously, the best thing you can do is ignore the problem of mass migration. Like our politicians do! Changing demographic here is accelerating and will continue to do so. By 2050, the white British population as was will be a minority anyway, there’s nothing you can do to prevent it. Simple maths. Does it really matter anyway? Nope, not really. The cultural identity of white British people can still be celebrated, just not on the same scale, and alongside many other cultures who by then will be much bigger in the UK. All that will happen is things like the history, religion and culture you and I perhaps learnt at school will be phased out or relegated to be replaced by others, as has already happened/is happening in fairness. Who knows, state schools might have gone altogether by then. Instead kids will be genetically evaluated and given a 10 year education programme by Google Academy, Amazon Education etc teaching things only relevant to increasing the size and wealth of the individual company. Corporate Giants may well by then have replaced Nations too. For example, you become a citizen of Apple, with its own gated community the size of say California, with its own security (army), food and energy systems and so forth. Btw, this will be for the relative lucky few. Everyone else will be chasing smaller and smaller scraps until eventually, violence occurs on a monumental scale as it always has when the balance between the haves and have nots gets too wide. Even then, the haves will be able to simply isolate themselves from it largely. So really, all the casualties will be amongst the have nots. That the haves leaders thought needed ‘culling’ anyway. All this to come UNLESS....rising seas and environmental catastrophe hasn’t caused the collapse of society by then anyhow!

In summary, enjoy the current moment because the future looks bleak with little to look forward to in relative terms compared to what you might have enjoyed to date. Sweet dreams!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sorry, I was a bit harsh. If you didn't mean to sound racist, fair enough. I apologise.

My view is it is quite straightforward on what to do, but it won't happen any time soon because the issue has become so toxic.

There are several separate issues. The first is legal immigration. Well, that is controlled, by definition. By the government. We used to have free movement of working Europeans as part of EU rules, but I don't call that immigration. In any case, 80% of people who have issues with immigrants are really only concerned with dark skin and muslims, so we can move on swiftly from the EU I hope. The government should invite immigration based on economic and social issues. Unfortunately the population don't agree on what is appropriate. Some people think we should allow people entry as temporary serfs to work the fields etc then send them home, some extending this to all professions (nurses, doctors, let 'em in for a bit then boot them out). Some people think that it is better to let the fruit rot than allow foreigners in the country. Other feel that if we need nurses and doctors, or indeed fruit pickers, and locals ar unavailable, let's have some new citizens. Can't please everyone so you are right there are no answers. If you want to please everyone that is.....

In politics everything is compromise - the art of the possible. Whoever can get a majority to support them gets to make up the plan. You know that. It is the same with everything in a liberal democracy.

We have always done 'refugees' reasonably well. A bit draconian in my view, but OK. On the one hand, too restrictive and we risk turning down applicants who end up dead back home, and on the other hand too generous and we let in some who are here just to destroy 'Christian' society. Spend a few more quid vetting and monitoring maybe? Paradoxically those most opposed to immigration are not interested in vetting - waste of public money ("Just say no to the lot of them"). Unfortunately all voices are heard and the worst voices are the loudest. A government needs the courage of its convictions, but that isn't how UK politics works (same everywhere I guess). We live in a dictatorship of the electorate. Ironic, that.

We have made lots of mistakes. We let in loads from the colonies in the 50s to do the shit jobs (Powell was instrumental in this), gave them full citizenship but treated them like animals, packing them into monoculture neighbourhoods, encouraging the birds of a feather to flock together. Hoping the rest of us wouldn't notice them in their wig wams. I never spoke to a black person till I was 18. I grew up in Rottingdean and Portslade. It could have warped my tiny mind.

The only solution is to bring people who are here properly into our society. We need to have some almost legal defined values. Well, actually we have. Some of the ways women, children and homosexuals are treated by some immigrant populations are illegal here. Now. Good. A bit late, but good. Not that the indigenous population were much better in the 50s, 60s, 70s....I remember PIE going on marches in the 70s. They were white. Those 'races' who cast the first stone, etc. British values.....an evolving beast, and rightly so.

For those who are not yet here and want to come here....we will need to spend money to create a better asylum/refugee system. Just hoping they will stay in Calais is pathetic. One of my brothers works in social services dealing with asylum seekers. They are detained here for a bit then many just abscond. The legal process is too slow with the low spend we seem to have decided is appropriate. There is no way I'd come here under these arrangements. But there again I'm not desoperate. Being even more ****ish to immigrants is not the answer.

The reason I resigned from the labour party (I rejoined his year) was because Mr Tony decided to give taxpayers money to all religious schools. I was OK with C of E getting some breaks - wishy washy religion, did me no harm (left me alone to my athiesm). But when the nation was getting increasingly twitchy about integration, why give people money to raise their kids in the medaevil madness they had back home? We all read about the madrassas training the boys in hate 15 years ago. We saw 'scholars' preaching hate on the 6 o clock news. Allowing all that was pathetic and wrong.

So my solution? Fairness. Love. The laws. Being homophobic is not acceptable just because that's what your jamaican mum beat into you while waving the bible about, or what it allegedly says in the Koran. Or in the Mail on Sunday. Being racist is not acceptable. With that in mind, perhaps the sting will slowly be drawn from the issue of immigration. Over the next 20 years or so. No rush.

We need governments with the balls to do what is fair and right, though, and continue to do so, not playing to the gammon gallery every time the polls look iffy.

Where I agree with you is that I can't see how this can be achieved. The reason I can't see how it can be achieved is that old stumbling block - to effect change you have to get elected, and to get elected you have to have broad appeal. To put it bluntly, you can't alienate the racists, whether they are driving a white van or walking home with their halal dinner, and if you do you won't get enough votes to get into power. Time and education may alleviate that. And laws, firm and upheld.

In the meantime, as citizens, we should try to not wallow in the filth. Racism is racism. Homophobia is homophobia. No ifs, no buts.

That, or, git orf my land or I'll set the dogs on you.

Finally I don't know of anyone who advocates an open door policy. Piers Corbyn, maybe? His views on this would be as influential as his other bright ideas. Is he not a Covid-denier? I know that a straw man can be of use but **** me sideways. I put the 'open door policy' advocates in the same shitty bin as the tiny and irrelevant political organization that calls itself BLM (as opposed to the excellent meme, BLM, that I unequivocally support). I'll leave a discussion on that to the professors of whataboutery that lurk on my ignore list.

Anyway, apologies, again, for harsh words said in an 'oh no, not another one' moment.

When I saw the length of your reply, I decided to pour a glass of wine first. Well worth the preparation, an excellent and balanced response

Just such a shame you posted it just after the moron limit was hit and it went to Baker Lite and Ppf's playpen

 

[portlock seagull]

Yes, I know about the Huguenots.

You seemed to read part of my post where I pointed out some good and some bad, but then ignored the bit where I said we have to trust our Immigration Services to sort out the bad to deport them.

Regardless of character assessments, does anyone know what proportion of “illegals” are deported - whether classified as asylum or economic. Because the perception is for every say 1000 people who arrive here on our shores, only a tiny fraction are ever sent back. And even then it takes decades. But is that reality? And will that change when say it becomes 10,000 a month, 20,000, 50,000...which it may well do. What happens then?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When I saw the length of your reply, I decided to pour a glass of wine first. Well worth the preparation, an excellent and balanced response

Just such a shame you posted it just after the moron limit was hit and it went to Baker Lite and Ppf's playpen

Cheers mate.

Well, never mind, eh

 

[WATFORD zero]

Shame...... and you always make sense!

Now you are getting carried away

 

[A1X]

By 2050, the white British population as was will be a minority anyway, there’s nothing you can do to prevent it. Simple maths.

Can you cite some evidence for that statement, please?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Seriously, the best thing you can do is ignore the problem of mass migration. Like our politicians do! Changing demographic here is accelerating and will continue to do so. By 2050, the white British population as was will be a minority anyway, there’s nothing you can do to prevent it. Simple maths. Does it really matter anyway? Nope, not really. The cultural identity of white British people can still be celebrated, just not on the same scale, and alongside many other cultures who by then will be much bigger in the UK. All that will happen is things like the history, religion and culture you and I perhaps learnt at school will be phased out or relegated to be replaced by others, as has already happened/is happening in fairness. Who knows, state schools might have gone altogether by then. Instead kids will be genetically evaluated and given a 10 year education programme by Google Academy, Amazon Education etc teaching things only relevant to increasing the size and wealth of the individual company. Corporate Giants may well by then have replaced Nations too. For example, you become a citizen of Apple, with its own gated community the size of say California, with its own security (army), food and energy systems and so forth. Btw, this will be for the relative lucky few. Everyone else will be chasing smaller and smaller scraps until eventually, violence occurs on a monumental scale as it always has when the balance between the haves and have nots gets too wide. Even then, the haves will be able to simply isolate themselves from it largely. So really, all the casualties will be amongst the have nots. That the haves leaders thought needed ‘culling’ anyway. All this to come UNLESS....rising seas and environmental catastrophe hasn’t caused the collapse of society by then anyhow!

In summary, enjoy the current moment because the future looks bleak with little to look forward to in relative terms compared to what you might have enjoyed to date. Sweet dreams!

problem is they've been let in allowed to create their own ghettos and have no intention of changing their ways but we have to make allowances for them, it's as straight forward as that
regards
DF

 

[Guinness Boy]

Sorry, I was a bit harsh. If you didn't mean to sound racist, fair enough. I apologise.

My view is it is quite straightforward on what to do, but it won't happen any time soon because the issue has become so toxic.

There are several separate issues. The first is legal immigration. Well, that is controlled, by definition. By the government. We used to have free movement of working Europeans as part of EU rules, but I don't call that immigration. In any case, 80% of people who have issues with immigrants are really only concerned with dark skin and muslims, so we can move on swiftly from the EU I hope. The government should invite immigration based on economic and social issues. Unfortunately the population don't agree on what is appropriate. Some people think we should allow people entry as temporary serfs to work the fields etc then send them home, some extending this to all professions (nurses, doctors, let 'em in for a bit then boot them out). Some people think that it is better to let the fruit rot than allow foreigners in the country. Other feel that if we need nurses and doctors, or indeed fruit pickers, and locals ar unavailable, let's have some new citizens. Can't please everyone so you are right there are no answers. If you want to please everyone that is.....

In politics everything is compromise - the art of the possible. Whoever can get a majority to support them gets to make up the plan. You know that. It is the same with everything in a liberal democracy.

We have always done 'refugees' reasonably well. A bit draconian in my view, but OK. On the one hand, too restrictive and we risk turning down applicants who end up dead back home, and on the other hand too generous and we let in some who are here just to destroy 'Christian' society. Spend a few more quid vetting and monitoring maybe? Paradoxically those most opposed to immigration are not interested in vetting - waste of public money ("Just say no to the lot of them"). Unfortunately all voices are heard and the worst voices are the loudest. A government needs the courage of its convictions, but that isn't how UK politics works (same everywhere I guess). We live in a dictatorship of the electorate. Ironic, that.

We have made lots of mistakes. We let in loads from the colonies in the 50s to do the shit jobs (Powell was instrumental in this), gave them full citizenship but treated them like animals, packing them into monoculture neighbourhoods, encouraging the birds of a feather to flock together. Hoping the rest of us wouldn't notice them in their wig wams. I never spoke to a black person till I was 18. I grew up in Rottingdean and Portslade. It could have warped my tiny mind.

The only solution is to bring people who are here properly into our society. We need to have some almost legal defined values. Well, actually we have. Some of the ways women, children and homosexuals are treated by some immigrant populations are illegal here. Now. Good. A bit late, but good. Not that the indigenous population were much better in the 50s, 60s, 70s....I remember PIE going on marches in the 70s. They were white. Those 'races' who cast the first stone, etc. British values.....an evolving beast, and rightly so.

For those who are not yet here and want to come here....we will need to spend money to create a better asylum/refugee system. Just hoping they will stay in Calais is pathetic. One of my brothers works in social services dealing with asylum seekers. They are detained here for a bit then many just abscond. The legal process is too slow with the low spend we seem to have decided is appropriate. There is no way I'd come here under these arrangements. But there again I'm not desoperate. Being even more ****ish to immigrants is not the answer.

The reason I resigned from the labour party (I rejoined his year) was because Mr Tony decided to give taxpayers money to all religious schools. I was OK with C of E getting some breaks - wishy washy religion, did me no harm (left me alone to my athiesm). But when the nation was getting increasingly twitchy about integration, why give people money to raise their kids in the medaevil madness they had back home? We all read about the madrassas training the boys in hate 15 years ago. We saw 'scholars' preaching hate on the 6 o clock news. Allowing all that was pathetic and wrong.

So my solution? Fairness. Love. The laws. Being homophobic is not acceptable just because that's what your jamaican mum beat into you while waving the bible about, or what it allegedly says in the Koran. Or in the Mail on Sunday. Being racist is not acceptable. With that in mind, perhaps the sting will slowly be drawn from the issue of immigration. Over the next 20 years or so. No rush.

We need governments with the balls to do what is fair and right, though, and continue to do so, not playing to the gammon gallery every time the polls look iffy.

Where I agree with you is that I can't see how this can be achieved. The reason I can't see how it can be achieved is that old stumbling block - to effect change you have to get elected, and to get elected you have to have broad appeal. To put it bluntly, you can't alienate the racists, whether they are driving a white van or walking home with their halal dinner, and if you do you won't get enough votes to get into power. Time and education may alleviate that. And laws, firm and upheld.

In the meantime, as citizens, we should try to not wallow in the filth. Racism is racism. Homophobia is homophobia. No ifs, no buts.

That, or, git orf my land or I'll set the dogs on you.

Finally I don't know of anyone who advocates an open door policy. Piers Corbyn, maybe? His views on this would be as influential as his other bright ideas. Is he not a Covid-denier? I know that a straw man can be of use but **** me sideways. I put the 'open door policy' advocates in the same shitty bin as the tiny and irrelevant political organization that calls itself BLM (as opposed to the excellent meme, BLM, that I unequivocally support). I'll leave a discussion on that to the professors of whataboutery that lurk on my ignore list.

Anyway, apologies, again, for harsh words said in an 'oh no, not another one' moment.

Nail on head several times over. Would you consider standing for Parliament in the Winchester constituency so I could vote for you?

"Harry" is FAR too good for the Houses of Parliament. That tells you exactly why our country is royally screwed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Seriously, the best thing you can do is ignore the problem of mass migration. Like our politicians do! Changing demographic here is accelerating and will continue to do so. By 2050, the white British population as was will be a minority anyway, there’s nothing you can do to prevent it. Simple maths. Does it really matter anyway? Nope, not really. The cultural identity of white British people can still be celebrated, just not on the same scale, and alongside many other cultures who by then will be much bigger in the UK. All that will happen is things like the history, religion and culture you and I perhaps learnt at school will be phased out or relegated to be replaced by others, as has already happened/is happening in fairness. Who knows, state schools might have gone altogether by then. Instead kids will be genetically evaluated and given a 10 year education programme by Google Academy, Amazon Education etc teaching things only relevant to increasing the size and wealth of the individual company. Corporate Giants may well by then have replaced Nations too. For example, you become a citizen of Apple, with its own gated community the size of say California, with its own security (army), food and energy systems and so forth. Btw, this will be for the relative lucky few. Everyone else will be chasing smaller and smaller scraps until eventually, violence occurs on a monumental scale as it always has when the balance between the haves and have nots gets too wide. Even then, the haves will be able to simply isolate themselves from it largely. So really, all the casualties will be amongst the have nots. That the haves leaders thought needed ‘culling’ anyway. All this to come UNLESS....rising seas and environmental catastrophe hasn’t caused the collapse of society by then anyhow!

In summary, enjoy the current moment because the future looks bleak with little to look forward to in relative terms compared to what you might have enjoyed to date. Sweet dreams!

I wonder how many really appreciate that Literary fiction's loss is NSC's gain

 

[portlock seagull]

I wonder how many really appreciate that Literary fiction's loss is NSC's gain

Lol! Yes, went full on dystopian there! Although...I’ve read some creditable articles about the fall of the nation state to be replaced by technology corporate ones along those very lines. May not be too far from the truth. And I can’t see the wealth gap ever closing, can you? So possibly not so fictional as it reads!:

 

[WATFORD zero]

Lol! Yes, went full on dystopian there! Although...I’ve read some creditable articles about the fall of the nation state to be replaced by technology corporate ones along those very lines. May not be too far from the truth. And I can’t see the wealth gap ever closing, can you? So possibly not so fictional as it reads!:

There are undoubtedly, some very clever, powerful, well organised, well funded and politically significant groups out there.

Unfortunately, the British Government are not amongst them

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Christ the Snowflake gammons are going mental over this now

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Seriously, the best thing you can do is ignore the problem of mass migration. Like our politicians do! Changing demographic here is accelerating and will continue to do so. By 2050, the white British population as was will be a minority anyway, there’s nothing you can do to prevent it. Simple maths. Does it really matter anyway? Nope, not really. The cultural identity of white British people can still be celebrated, just not on the same scale, and alongside many other cultures who by then will be much bigger in the UK. All that will happen is things like the history, religion and culture you and I perhaps learnt at school will be phased out or relegated to be replaced by others, as has already happened/is happening in fairness. Who knows, state schools might have gone altogether by then. Instead kids will be genetically evaluated and given a 10 year education programme by Google Academy, Amazon Education etc teaching things only relevant to increasing the size and wealth of the individual company. Corporate Giants may well by then have replaced Nations too. For example, you become a citizen of Apple, with its own gated community the size of say California, with its own security (army), food and energy systems and so forth. Btw, this will be for the relative lucky few. Everyone else will be chasing smaller and smaller scraps until eventually, violence occurs on a monumental scale as it always has when the balance between the haves and have nots gets too wide. Even then, the haves will be able to simply isolate themselves from it largely. So really, all the casualties will be amongst the have nots. That the haves leaders thought needed ‘culling’ anyway. All this to come UNLESS....rising seas and environmental catastrophe hasn’t caused the collapse of society by then anyhow!

In summary, enjoy the current moment because the future looks bleak with little to look forward to in relative terms compared to what you might have enjoyed to date. Sweet dreams!

History and culture is always changing. Family right back to 1700 completely in Sussex, but my dna was analysed as 67% South East England, 26% Germanic, and 7% Norwegian. According to you, that’s probably acceptable because all those roots are white.

 

[portlock seagull]

There are undoubtedly, some very clever, powerful, well organised, well funded and politically significant groups out there.

Unfortunately, the British Government are not amongst them

Amen to that!

 

[portlock seagull]

History and culture is always changing. Family right back to 1700 completely in Sussex, but my dna was analysed as 67% South East England, 26% Germanic, and 7% Norwegian. According to you, that’s probably acceptable because all those roots are white.

Eh? Acceptable? Who’s judging? Except, possibly, you? Not sure. Anyway, I’m not exactly native either in that respect. Culturally I’m English though. And just as proud of as any EM, here, are theirs, despite efforts of hysterical liberals wanting me to apologise for things neither I or my ancestors had anything to do with simply because I hold a British passport in 2020!

 

[Randy McNob]

Eh? Acceptable? Who’s judging? Except, possibly, you? Not sure. Anyway, I’m not exactly native either in that respect. Culturally I’m English though. And just as proud of as any EM, here, are theirs, despite efforts of hysterical liberals wanting me to apologise for things neither I or my ancestors had anything to do with simply because I hold a British passport in 2020!

or its a perception purpetuated in the media (gaslighting) to cause fear, resentment and divisions so they ensure a so called 'opressed' majority feel they are under attack and they see the enemy as so called 'ĺiberals' 'lefties' or 'woke'.

Media barons also big tory donors in cahoots to control public opinion.

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[portlock seagull]

or its a perception purpetuated in the media (gaslighting) to cause fear, resentment and divisions so they ensure a so called 'opressed' majority feel they are under attack and they see the enemy as so called 'ĺiberals' 'lefties' or 'woke'.

Media barons also big tory donors in cahoots to control public opinion.

No, there are definitely some extremely woke, lefty liberals out there

 

[Randy McNob]

No, there are definitely some extremely woke, lefty liberals out there

Yes I heard they hang around with the snozzwangers and vermicious knids