Yes, of course they are. Kier Starmer is exactly what a far right leader looks like. Good grief.
[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
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Indeed,, a couple of key words stand out “underrated” and “consistent”
Tim Burgess is also a great solo artist and general decent bloke
- Oct 19, 2003
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I never got on with Tim Burgess' solo stuff, I would like to have another crack though, Any suggestions on where to start?
My favourite track, is Lucky Creatures, he opened with that at The Komedia, I’d had a few pints and was feeling mellow, I thought I was gonna burst into tears.
Savages also does it for me.
Greg Bobkin
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I'm sure this thread will end well. I can't believe these opinions haven't been raised before on here.
Anyway, when are the fixtures out?
Anyway, when are the fixtures out?
I feat that when you sober up you may find yourself disappointed.
- Apr 5, 2014
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That would be an ecumenical matter.
Just took a little sit down while out with the dog, Charlatans on the headphones. I literally just spat my Special Brew out
LamieRobertson
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As Labour threads go it’s quite funny…I’ll keep that as a memory and now shove it on ignore
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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'Labour should have announced inquiry months ago' - abuse lawyerpublished at 10:34
10:34
Richard Scorer, head of abuse law and public inquiries at Slater and Gordon, tells 5 Live that the Labour government should have announced this national inquiry months ago.
He adds that the issues were not properly addressed by previous inquiries.
This is "one of biggest scandals since WW2 and that's why it needs a national inquiry," he adds.
Scorer warns that there is a problem with inquiry recommendations actually being carried out.
"If we are going to spend money on inquiries like this then we have got to ensure the recommendations are implemented".
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This has to be my Post of the Month. Okay, it may have been a tap in. But still.If you’re gonna do it…
n1 gull
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... and your answer to the above is?
schmunk
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Have you tried your local HMV...?
- Oct 19, 2003
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Grandad!!! I'd need a time machine wouldn't I?
No..no…NO!……. Resident
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But far for me (I am in Australia). Not much Tim Burgess in these parts,not much Charlatans I haven't got either.
I did look at a collection called A head full of ideas yesterday but I am not sure what it is.
Settled on King Gizzard and the Wizard Lizard.
nevergoagain
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Can you provide a source for that ?, I don't think anyone would dispute CSE being mainly perpetrated by white british given the large majority in this country but the below link gives credence to the view that there is an over representation of asian minorities committing the group child sexual abuse when viewed as a percentage of population. Hopefully the new finding from the report to produce better demographic data of both offenders and victims will answer a grey area question.
If you read further down the statements are:
Whilst the Children’s Commissioner for England did not make a distinction between groups and gangs, it described Asian and Black offenders as being seen as perpetrators of group-based CSE in proportions greater than expected from their proportions of the general population, and in greater proportions than when looking at all forms of CSE (ibid.). Combined with the fact that ethnicity was frequently unknown or unrecorded and that a large number of police forces did not make a return, this dataset is therefore only partial and unsuitable for generalisation. Additionally, it is worth noting that law enforcement data are particularly vulnerable to bias, in terms of which cases come to the attention of authorities, and this can impact the generalisability of such data (Cockbain et al., 2020).
CEOP analysed 2,379 people referred for alleged involvement in ’localised grooming’; some of these will have been CSE. Of these, 1,162 people had to be excluded from the analysis due to a lack of basic information about them, showing the lack of consistent and detailed recording in some areas. When ethnicity was examined for the remaining 1,217 individuals, it was found that 30% were White and 28% were Asian. However, with a further 38% of alleged offenders being of unknown ethnicity, it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions from these figures (CEOP, 2011).
Both CEOP and the Children’s Commissioner for England’s studies demonstrate that offending is not solely an Asian problem, but problems with the data make them unsuitable for drawing further conclusions. The Drew review found that 65.1% of CSE suspects identified between January 2014 and January 2016 were White North European (with a further 2.4% being White South European), 19.1% were Asian, 3.7% were Black and 4.3% were ‘Other’. However, ethnicity was not known or recorded in 5.3% of cases and these proportions were not compared with local populations (Drew, 2016). Regardless, these numbers further dispute the idea of offending being unique to one ethnic group.
Research by Quilliam asserted that 84% of 264 offenders convicted for grooming gang offences between 2005 and 2017 were Asian, 8% were Black, 7% were White and 1% were of unknown ethnicity (Rafiq and Adil, 2017). This figure of 84% has been widely repeated as academic evidence for an extreme over-representation of Asian offenders despite a lack of clarity about sampling and data analysis methods (Cockbain and Tufail, 2020). For example, the authors identify 264 offenders, but do not specify how they were found, or how their ethnicity was categorised. These findings are therefore not suitable for drawing conclusions about ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders.