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clapham_gull said:
unless you buy it off a day boat on the quayside it is likely all fish has been frozen at some point. But freezing itself is not a problem is it ?
Theatre of Trees
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I thought that the best fish was the frozen stuff as they usually did that on the ships the moment they caught them.
The other problems schools have are with the catering companies that have the contracts. Our school went back to an in house contract a couple of years ago because the kitchen staff were tied to particular producers by the catering comapny (who naturally had links with these companies). They knew where to get cheaper food to make more nutritious meals but were barred from doing so.
Not surprisingly when the kitchen staff regained the contract the food improved radically.
The other problems schools have are with the catering companies that have the contracts. Our school went back to an in house contract a couple of years ago because the kitchen staff were tied to particular producers by the catering comapny (who naturally had links with these companies). They knew where to get cheaper food to make more nutritious meals but were barred from doing so.
Not surprisingly when the kitchen staff regained the contract the food improved radically.
A nutritionist proved that frozen food has as much if not more goodness in it because it was frozen so quickly.
Peas are picked and frozen withing 40 mins instead of produce which when sent to market took two days to get onto the stalls or local shops.
Peas are picked and frozen withing 40 mins instead of produce which when sent to market took two days to get onto the stalls or local shops.
chip
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I thought he was a prat, but his school meals programme has changed my mind - diamond geezer.
Appart from the nutritional and digestive aspects of the old school meals, proper food also addresses some of the problems of hyper-activity, attention-deficit, glucose and additive sensitivity. If the children eat well they will probably learn more and behave better.
Did he do away with fizzy, coloured, sugary drinks as well?
Appart from the nutritional and digestive aspects of the old school meals, proper food also addresses some of the problems of hyper-activity, attention-deficit, glucose and additive sensitivity. If the children eat well they will probably learn more and behave better.
Did he do away with fizzy, coloured, sugary drinks as well?
- Jul 7, 2003
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clapham_gull said:
Delia might have impressed the dinner ladies, but the kids would have laughed her out of town before she could utter as much as a single "LetsBeAvinYou!".
Yorkie said:
Nice point -Without the modern day Supermarket chains, suppliers/farmers simply don't have the wherewithall to get their produce to the consumer in a freshcondition in a nice looking package, and making better money by getting it sold.
JS and others may say what they want to pay for it, but isn't that free marketing Clapham gull ? Those willing to read and adapt to market conditions will survive.
JS in particular have a very strong Organic bend, and actively support and encourage farmers to 'go' organic, with subsidies and guaranteed contracts for the the farmer to let land lie fallow until it meets Soil Association approval. More good quality food for you - can you get that at 10pm in your local corner shop ?
i'd also contest that the farmers/producers that are supplying the major Chains are now in a better position in having a large client like JS who will take all the product they have, rather than carting it down to the local market every day..
For the consumer, we now have more confidence in what we actually buy -farmers/producers have to meet ever increasing hygene standards which benefit all of us surely ?
CG, Are you also saying that you would prefer to shop at the shitty local Costcutter, who invariably have nothing on there shelves, or if they do it's overpriced own brand.
I guess you still have that choice, and i will have mine (if i can ever find a parking space in that poxy tiny carpark of JS's..)
..enough supporting JS...for the record their Ceasar salad in a bag is f***ing attrocious..
back to the thread..
thought the programme was quite moving actually; think he's got an uphill task, but the best of luck to him.
Personally i think he should be credited with bringing proper cooking and heathly eating back into teenagers subconcience.
He's a top bloke, no different in person than on TV, always has time for have a cheeky laugh with those around, even if he'd never met them before.
The man deserves a OBE if he succeedes.
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clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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You can bang on about how great the organic range is in Sainsburys (I buy it), but it's expensive.
Sainsburys charge £1 for a non organic aubergine. I bought 3 for the same price in a local shop.
Somethings very, very wrong.
Fish was or course a bad example regarding freezing. Freezing isn't really the issue. But foods freezed, then thawed, then freezed again. Well that's a different issue. Lettuce washed in chlorine, um.. tasty.
Oh the great market forces in food production. Wasn't Jamie arguing against the very same thing with the owner of the company producing the food for the schools ?
I have no great argument with supermarkets, but something had gone very, very wrong with food production in this country. I observe very closely the type of food that adults are stacking up in their trolleys in supermarkets for their familes and I'm frankly quite shocked.
I'm extremely lucky, my mother is a trained cook and I grew up in a small village where the temptations of take away crap didn't exist. Unfortunately the local butcher and the local green grocer are now gone there, because people presumably drive to the nearest supermarket once a week.
Sainsburys charge £1 for a non organic aubergine. I bought 3 for the same price in a local shop.
Somethings very, very wrong.
Fish was or course a bad example regarding freezing. Freezing isn't really the issue. But foods freezed, then thawed, then freezed again. Well that's a different issue. Lettuce washed in chlorine, um.. tasty.
Oh the great market forces in food production. Wasn't Jamie arguing against the very same thing with the owner of the company producing the food for the schools ?
I have no great argument with supermarkets, but something had gone very, very wrong with food production in this country. I observe very closely the type of food that adults are stacking up in their trolleys in supermarkets for their familes and I'm frankly quite shocked.
I'm extremely lucky, my mother is a trained cook and I grew up in a small village where the temptations of take away crap didn't exist. Unfortunately the local butcher and the local green grocer are now gone there, because people presumably drive to the nearest supermarket once a week.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Actually that "shitty" costcutter on Clapham High Street is very good.
What I miss is the two greengrocers opposite Sainsburys that has disapeared and the chinese supermarket that has gone.
I liked the CHOICE, but now one side of the high street has TWO Sainsburys.. well the other shops can only go one way.
Fortunately the Organic Bakery on Landor Road bakes bread that Sainsbury's could only dream about.
Bread that goes stale after a couple of days. It's heaven.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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No it isn't. Go into Sainsburys and tell them you're only going to pay half of their advertised price for an apple and you don't give a flying f*ck whether they make a loss or not and see how you get on.
Lush
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Sainsburys charge what they think people will pay. It's irrelevant what Sainsbury's have paid for it.
Staples like bread and milk are "loss leaders". They make a loss on them because they know people do price comparisons on basics like this - and cheap bread and milk bring them into the store.
What annoys me is that a lot of Fair Trade stuff like coffee is actually now being produced as cheaply as the likes of Nescafe, but Sainsburys mark it up because they know people will pay extra for it.
Staples like bread and milk are "loss leaders". They make a loss on them because they know people do price comparisons on basics like this - and cheap bread and milk bring them into the store.
What annoys me is that a lot of Fair Trade stuff like coffee is actually now being produced as cheaply as the likes of Nescafe, but Sainsburys mark it up because they know people will pay extra for it.
The supermarket marketing team would be rubbing their hands with glee about how many people are falling for their hype. Words like 'fresh' , 'choice' and 'healthy' are thrown out with gay abandon and people then believe what the supermarket tells them.
Supermarket food isn't fresh - despite what the supermarkets tell you. Frozen food isn't better than fresh food. Of course, supermarkets will hire nutrionists to 'prove' that frozen food is just as nutritious but it's nonsense (just as a couple of weeks ago a nutritionist funded by the US livestock industry 'proved' that vegan diets harmed children).
A truly independent test, such as the one carried out by Which? magazine in June 2004, will show the opposite. Which? found that frozen vegetables lose a considerable amount of nutritional value in the processing - the worst case being Asda runner beans that lost a stonking 89 percent of their Vitamin C content.
'Choice' is a good one. In reality, many of the supermarket instant meals are sourced from the same manufacturers and packaged differently.
Rowdey's assertion that supermarkets are the saviours of the farming industry are way off the mark. The supermarkets use their buying power to force down price making harder for famers to make a live. Consequently, farmers cut corners (leading to disasters like the BSE crisis and foot and mouth disease), employ cheap labour, hence the influx of migrant workers or go out of business. There has been a dramatic decline in the number of working farms since the rise of the supermarkets in the 70s and this in a nation that was self-sufficient in agriculture.
And as for the free market. What free market? As I mentioned earlier, most of us shop at supermarkets because we have no choice. And that's not because the supermarkets give us what we want but because they use their bulk buying to distort the market - or use their parking facilities to attract shoppers. One stretch of the A24 in Clapham, Balham and Tooting has five Sainsbury's on it, three with car parks - this is on a red route. So car drivers have to do their shopping at Sainsbury's.
There was a proposal from John Prescott to tax supermarket space but this was rejected after intensive lobbying by the supermarket firms. Oh, and guess who's a government minister, Lord Sainsbury, (very much a relation).
I'm angry about the way our food has been mucked about with (in case you couldn't tell). I'm angry about the way that our choice has been limited, I'm angry that we pay higher prices for all our food and I'm angry that our health (and our children's health) is suffering.
But most of all, I'm angry that I spent two years working in the marketing department of a supermarket chain working out ways to con the customers and distort the market. I've been doing penance ever since but I fear that it's not enough and I'm condemned to wander in a purgatory of discarded shopping trolleys, cellophane wrappings and three for the price of two offers for all eternity.
Supermarket food isn't fresh - despite what the supermarkets tell you. Frozen food isn't better than fresh food. Of course, supermarkets will hire nutrionists to 'prove' that frozen food is just as nutritious but it's nonsense (just as a couple of weeks ago a nutritionist funded by the US livestock industry 'proved' that vegan diets harmed children).
A truly independent test, such as the one carried out by Which? magazine in June 2004, will show the opposite. Which? found that frozen vegetables lose a considerable amount of nutritional value in the processing - the worst case being Asda runner beans that lost a stonking 89 percent of their Vitamin C content.
'Choice' is a good one. In reality, many of the supermarket instant meals are sourced from the same manufacturers and packaged differently.
Rowdey's assertion that supermarkets are the saviours of the farming industry are way off the mark. The supermarkets use their buying power to force down price making harder for famers to make a live. Consequently, farmers cut corners (leading to disasters like the BSE crisis and foot and mouth disease), employ cheap labour, hence the influx of migrant workers or go out of business. There has been a dramatic decline in the number of working farms since the rise of the supermarkets in the 70s and this in a nation that was self-sufficient in agriculture.
And as for the free market. What free market? As I mentioned earlier, most of us shop at supermarkets because we have no choice. And that's not because the supermarkets give us what we want but because they use their bulk buying to distort the market - or use their parking facilities to attract shoppers. One stretch of the A24 in Clapham, Balham and Tooting has five Sainsbury's on it, three with car parks - this is on a red route. So car drivers have to do their shopping at Sainsbury's.
There was a proposal from John Prescott to tax supermarket space but this was rejected after intensive lobbying by the supermarket firms. Oh, and guess who's a government minister, Lord Sainsbury, (very much a relation).
I'm angry about the way our food has been mucked about with (in case you couldn't tell). I'm angry about the way that our choice has been limited, I'm angry that we pay higher prices for all our food and I'm angry that our health (and our children's health) is suffering.
But most of all, I'm angry that I spent two years working in the marketing department of a supermarket chain working out ways to con the customers and distort the market. I've been doing penance ever since but I fear that it's not enough and I'm condemned to wander in a purgatory of discarded shopping trolleys, cellophane wrappings and three for the price of two offers for all eternity.
Because women are expected to go back to work now after having their children (by women as well as men) then they don't have the time to shop around like the previous generation did.
Everything is geared to labour saving and time saving now and more's the pity.
Everything is geared to labour saving and time saving now and more's the pity.
Race said:Our boy is called Jamie Oliver........
Bet his school chums call him JOBBIE ??
Lush said:
The Fairtrade Foundation control the Fairtrade labelling - so it shouldn't be the case that Sainsbury can exploit it in the way you suggest.
http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/about_what_is_fairtrade.htm
Lush
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Titanic said:
Yes - but surely the price isn't on the label - it's allocated to the barcode by Sainsburys.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Lush said:
.. and who is often making the "loss" on those loss leaders ? It ain't the supermarket.
Lush said:
as I understand it.. the Fairtrade label and it's use are controlled by the Fairtrade Foundation.
All it confirms is that the farmers and local traders have been treated fairly in the process of supplying the supermarkets etc...
What Sainsbury charge for it is up to them - but I agree they may try to charge a premium because of the FT label... I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.