Jakarta terrorist attacks

[Kalimantan Gull]

How is it racism?

When the Catholic Church and it's members get criticzed over paedophilia there's absolutely nobody claiming its even remotely racist. Yet when it comes to criticizing Islam another religion then all of a sudden people bring out the "racism" card. Islam is an ideology. You can't be racist against an ideology.

sure, OK. Well whatever the term is, thats what it is.

 

[symyjym]

We know very little about Jesus' life - certainly in comparison to that of Muhammad - and what little we do 'know' is pure fantasy - raising the dead, changing wine to water, feeding the five thousand etc puts a shadow of incredulity over the rest of his biography.

We know that there was no controversy in Jesus’s life and he was well known by the Jews and the people of his time. He was a teacher of new ways, a philosopher, teacher and died on the cross for revolutionary ideas. No point talking about miracles because these were written after his life but they could also just be a figure of speech and made into stories, like Jesus was so great he could walk on water. Making a blind man see doesn’t have to have anything to do with vision.

Even the Jews accept he was a great man, knew the Torah inside out and they were there to witness him. If he had done anything bad we would know about it.

 

[Soulman]

Yet Muhammad accepted he was a man and a sinner and begged Allah for forgiveness three times - Jesus was a man who claimed he WAS God born of a 12 year old virgin He had made pregnant - the whole concept is so fantastical it is incredible that nearly half the Earth's population follow the religions founded by these two men.

Of course neither Jesus nor Muhammad wrote either the New Testament or the Qur'an so really both Christianity and Islam were founded by 'fan clubs' of the two.

Fair enough. I think i favour the man that was ""raising the the dead, changing wine to water, feeding the five thousand etc" over the man that these days a lot that follow him are into raping, women second class citizens, stoning, beheading, FGM and setting fire to people.........and trying to force their ideology/laws on those worldwide.

 

[Soulman]

How is it racism?

When the Catholic Church and it's members get criticzed over paedophilia there's absolutely nobody claiming its even remotely racist. Yet when it comes to criticizing Islam another religion then all of a sudden people bring out the "racism" card. Islam is an ideology. You can't be racist against an ideology.

Yep.

 

[symyjym]

I get what you mean, but the premise is flawed. We have two historical figures, one from the 1st century, one from the 6th century, both the major prophet of a religion they are credited with creating, and next-to-no unbiased information about the lives of either. To assume one was good and one was bad has to be your bias. Jesus may or may not have been without sin, but even if he was there is plenty of evil done in the name of Christianity today (and to clarify, I wasn't talking about the middle ages). Mohammad may or may not have been a bad guy, but even if he was there is plenty of good done in the name of Islam.

Yes I agree that evil things are done in the name of Christianity. But when we strip the religions down to the men they are polar opposites.

This is a list of Muhammads battles. The Invasion of Banu Qurayza is an interesting one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

 

[Soulman]

How is it racism?

When the Catholic Church and it's members get criticzed over paedophilia there's absolutely nobody claiming its even remotely racist. Yet when it comes to criticizing Islam another religion then all of a sudden people bring out the "racism" card. Islam is an ideology. You can't be racist against an ideology.

Yep.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Yes I agree that evil things are done in the name of Christianity. But when we strip the religions down to the men they are polar opposites.

This is a list of Muhammads battles. The Invasion of Banu Qurayza is an interesting one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

Maybe they are. They were different men in different times. Mohammad joined an army. Elsewhere on that page it says he was a great unifier, a generous man who brought people together despite being treated badly by the people of Mecca. And it doesn't matter who he actually was, what matters is how he is taught today, and muslims believe Mohammad to be a kind, generous, good and pure man. In the same way we are taught that about Jesus.

So if you're trying to explain the actions of islamic terrorists on the character of their prophet, the argument is weak. Just as it is hard to expain the actions of catholic terrorists on their prophet or the actions of Jewish prophets on theirs

 

[symyjym]

Maybe they are. They were different men in different times. Mohammad joined an army. Elsewhere on that page it says he was a great unifier, a generous man who brought people together despite being treated badly by the people of Mecca. And it doesn't matter who he actually was, what matters is how he is taught today, and muslims believe Mohammad to be a kind, generous, good and pure man. In the same way we are taught that about Jesus.

So if you're trying to explain the actions of islamic terrorists on the character of their prophet, the argument is weak. Just as it is hard to expain the actions of catholic terrorists on their prophet or the actions of Jewish prophets on theirs

He wasn't treated badly at Mecca. Muhammad was a wealthy and well respected trade merchant with a very rich wife. He had everything he wanted and Mecca made him until he started causing trouble for them.

The only people he brought together were the Jews and Christians in Medina because he wanted to rule over them. When the Jews eventually understood his plan he beheaded 600-900 of them. He then went back to Mecca and everyone submitted to Islam out of fear of suffering the same fate so it could be claimed it was a "peaceful" take over. It is exactly what ISIS are emulating.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Worth a watch, an honest view from a Muslim. By The Numbers

By the Numbers is an honest and open discussion about Muslim opinions and demographics. Narrated by Raheel Raza, president of Muslims Facing Tomorrow, this short film is about the acceptance that radical Islam is a bigger problem than most politically correct governments and individuals are ready to admit. Is ISIS, the Islamic State, trying to penetrate the U.S. with the refugee influx? Are Muslims radicalized on U.S. soil? Are organizations such as CAIR, who purport to represent American Muslims accepting and liberal or radicalized with links to terror organizations?

https://youtu.be/pSPvnFDDQHk

Everyone SHOULD watch this, a very, very brave lady.