[Albion] Is FH really performing that badly?

[oldboyroy]

I was there and can just about remember two big chances for them.

Edit - just looked at the stats, they had a lot of shots, but only one more on target than us.

Likewise

 

[American Seagle]

They don’t show exactly that. They show he’s been worse going forward and the same for the rest of his game at a time he should be improving.

As @Jimmy Grimble said though it’s partly how he was being used by either coach. I guess you’d have to ask him which role he prefers.

I don't think it shows a significant decrease in attacking stats at all.
Why should he be improving? He was ready and comfortable when he came into the the first team. If he never improves he will have a great EPL career with a good number of England caps.

 

[Pliny the Gull]

there's a dollop of recency bias in some of the opinions IMO.

It's very fair to be disappointed with how we've thrown away what looked like a golden opportunity at Europe - but I think there's a solid base to build from and hopefully we have better luck with injuries next year

there was a point last month where only Liverpool and Arsenal had lost less games than us (stat been ruined since) so hopefully we can iron out a few of these terrible draws at home to dross teams and climb up the table next year

Hurzeler is young and finding his feet and I'm backing him to be able to work it out

Fair enough.
But I've always liked the here and now expectations. Always have done, always will.
That's the fun.
Do not spend time and money, especially away, if it will come good possibility in the future.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't think it shows a significant decrease in attacking stats at all.
Why should he be improving? He was ready and comfortable when he came into the the first team. If he never improves he will have a great EPL career with a good number of England caps.

His stats on every level except shooting accuracy are way better in RDZ’s attacking column. If you don’t think so you’re incapable of reading and / or understanding them.

If young players just stand still they’ll be overtaken by the players who are improving. He’s nowhere near peak EPL age yet.

 

[chaileyjem]

Bart being about as much use as a poppadom in goal.

That was quite the pappadum that pushed Soucek's header onto the bar in the first half and blocked Wan Bissaka's full on shot in the 2nd mind.

 

[boik]

Me too

No, in another thread, pre West Ham, I felt we’d get 11 from 5.

I think a draw vs Newcastle and Spurs and win the rest…… one down.

In terms of the pelters and FH, I changed my opinion post Brentford, because the set-up and goals were so poor, and FH just doesn’t seem to be evolving/learning.
So for me, the damage is already done, pelters at the ready.
That said, if we don’t do anything stupid, (high line against faster players, being the primary one), I’ll probably just go with the flow.

To actually answer the question, if we hold European ambition I’d suggest 3, because we should beat Wolves (6 wins or not).

On our day, there is nobody we should fear, we just need to set up right.

11 from 5 That's more than arsenal have averaged and close to what Liverpool have averaged. No wonder so many fans end up being disappointed!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

That was quite the pappadum that pushed Soucek's header onto the bar in the first half and blocked Wan Bissaka's full on shot in the 2nd mind.

Agree, re the header. If Wan Bissaka had scored, he’d have been disappointed.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

11 from 5 That's more than arsenal have averaged and close to what Liverpool have averaged. No wonder so many fans end up being disappointed!

If you look at our season we go on runs.
Have you already forgotten the run prior to the international break?

Edit - slightly surprised you’re comparing an entire season. Wolves are on a good run currently…. Big difference between thinking and expecting

 

[chaileyjem]

His stats on every level except shooting accuracy are way better in RDZ’s attacking column. If you don’t think so you’re incapable of reading and / or understanding them.

If young players just stand still they’ll be overtaken by the players who are improving. He’s nowhere near peak EPL age yet.

This seems a bit reductive ? Hinshelwood is "standing still" since August 2024.
But fair enough. So how much of this - presumably a strong indicator of his development and improvement of what is still a very young player - would you put down to Hurzeler ?

 

[chaileyjem]

On the other hand re: Baleba and Hurzeler

 

[BadFish]

All the blah blah blah in this thread will be resolved by the next two games I feel. Three points across those would keep us on course. If we stumble in both games, Fab will get pelters whether anyone on here agrees or disagrees he deserves them, that's just the reality of leading a football club that's spent a fair bit of money to deepen the squad this season

This is possibly true and sadly, leading football clubs do have more of such fans (I would have hoped ours would know a bit better, but there you go) but as you say they are a reality. It would nice though, if the pelter givers can throw their toys on a single, or even a couple of threads and let the rest of discuss things sensibly.

 

[BadFish]

That's obviously your view, so you are saying 3pts from games at home to 3rd place Toon and away at Wolves, who have won their last six, is your expectation, if not then NSC will give him pelters judged on just 2 games out of 34, where just 1pt from those 2 games will see FH achieve our second highest points tally in the PL.

I'd say 2 points rather than 3 would be acceptable, but hey ho, what do I know, I like many others on here, take a more measured view, rather than the vociferous minority who shout the loudest, trotting out the same old nonsense on thread after thread.

To be firmly in the 'pelters' camp they have to ignore a whole lot of stuff from this season. So judging on 2 out of 34 games comes as no surprise.

NB: Any worldies scored will also be discounted

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

To be firmly in the 'pelters' camp they have to ignore a whole lot of stuff from this season. So judging on 2 out of 34 games comes as no surprise.

NB: Any worldies scored will also be discounted

Cumulative effect though?

If people are basing it on two games of course that is silly, but (perhaps naively) I don’t think anyone would.

 

[birthofanorange]

To be firmly in the 'pelters' camp they have to ignore a whole lot of stuff from this season. So judging on 2 out of 34 games comes as no surprise.

NB: Any worldies scored will also be discounted

This. 100%. Simply because we cannot rely on those, just all the other attempts on goal which have less quality.

 

[BadFish]

Cumulative effect though?

If people are basing it on two games of course that is silly, but (perhaps naively) I don’t think anyone would.

Very true, I am not sure people are taking in that much context

I think for most it is a case of venting after a disappointing result or performance. I wonder how many will still be calling for his head in the summer, especially once it becomes obvious he is staying and even more so if we start to make a few decent signings (not wingers and attacking mids).

I'll be honest I am not expecting much from the last few games but I am optimistic about next season. With some decent signings I think we'll see more of the good stuff and less of the bad.

 

[BadFish]

This. 100%. Simply because we cannot rely on those, just all the other attempts on goal which have less quality.

If we are going to be a top 6 team we are going to need a decent mix of types of goals. Discounting any of them is crazy.

 

[birthofanorange]

If we are going to be a top 6 team we are going to need a decent mix of types of goals. Discounting any of them is crazy.

Maybe 'they' should introduce some sort of handicap system, where worldies only count for 0.5 of a goal and tap-ins the full 1?

 

[jackalbion]

That was quite the pappadum that pushed Soucek's header onto the bar in the first half and blocked Wan Bissaka's full on shot in the 2nd mind.

If Wan Bissaka had scored there that would have been a dreadful mistake, great save for the header, 1st goal no idea what he was doing, trying to do a long barrier?

 

[American Seagle]

His stats on every level except shooting accuracy are way better in RDZ’s attacking column. If you don’t think so you’re incapable of reading and / or understanding them.

If young players just stand still they’ll be overtaken by the players who are improving. He’s nowhere near peak EPL age yet.

Nonsense. If a player is playing at a high end EPL standard why would he be overtaken by others? If he is then we will be consistently a top 4 team. Hinshelwood is performing at borderline England call up levels, this season and last. His age is irrelevant.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Nonsense. If a player is playing at a high end EPL standard why would he be overtaken by others? If he is then we will be consistently a top 4 team. Hinshelwood is performing at borderline England call up levels, this season and last. His age is irrelevant.

He’s still very young and progress is rarely linear for young players. RDZ did have his full backs arriving late and being a goal threat but JH hasn’t been asked to do that this season so purely looking at his attacking stats doesn’t show a picture of his progression anyway. The fact he is starting more PL games than his contemporaries shows he’s still making a lot of progress under this manager as well as the last.