I'm So glad my taxes are paying for this, what a piss take.

[Jimbo.GRFC]

west africa is currently having a field day at londons expense. this is happening all the time. i dont know how this west african thing started but its way way out of control. still as long as they are not living in brighton or using the royal sussex no one here will really give a toss.

Think you'll find they do....I've been in and out of hospital for long stints over the last 2 years, and its not just West Africans. We have a lot of people of many nations here as immigrants and when their elders fall ill they fly them into Britain initially on a visitors visa, then lo and behold they are then taken to hospital to be treated by the NHS, fit enough to fly half way round the world though. Discussing this with a doctor one day I questioned that this was happening and whilst he didnt agree with this practice as it was draining resources, the ethos of the NHS is to treat anyone who is ill. At times on the wards, English was the least spoken language...FACT

Reading the story, its the lawyers like Dado we should clamp down on. Lady has 5 kids, husband shuffles off back to Nigeria so as not to provide for them. She'll duly be given accommodation and various benefits then husband will return...Makes me sick that they are so blatantly doing it, the government in fear of human rights does nothing other than punish the people who will have to look after them, nurses, teachers etc

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

I was replying to your statement of 'I don't know how this West African thing started', and assumed therefore that, er, you didn't know how it started. Sorry.



Well I'm not an expert either, but firstly I expect your anecdotal evidence of an explosion of the West African population in London may be exaggerated and/or unrepresentative. The vast majority of immigration into the UK in the past few years has been from eastern Europe.

Secondly, if there have been large numbers of immigrants from former French and Belgian colonies, I expect that will be partly related to the recent history of civil wars and conflicts in Cote d'Ivoire, DR Congo, Central African Republic, Chad etc.

I strongly expect there will be many more people from these countries in Paris than there are in London (just look at the French football team!).

Sorry if I was patronising but your original post gave the impression that you didn't have a clue about the historical context of the situation. Also, the original story was about a Nigerian, not someone from a former French/Belgian colony.

Waynflete: There you go doing it again, Spanish quite clearly said in the last 15-20 years and dare I suggest Asians as well however you refer to Eastern Europeans arriving over the last few years. The major difference is that many Eastern Europeans are realising the grass isn't necessarily greener here and returning back to their homelands. However the Western Africans/Asians remain, are having large families and employ immigration lawyers at our expense to bring their relatives over too.....I await your race card rant, but if you don't understand this is happening then please remove your head from the sand.

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

thanks for that i must buy a telly or newspaper one day. you are still doing it. you know full well that i am not asking about the historical context of their arrival in london whether from french belgian british or f***ing faroe islands colonies.

i have found out a lot of peoples back stories by talking to them its my failsafe method of finding things out. the stories i have heard from neighbours and aqquantances about setting up in the UK are staggering. they all think its f***ing hilarious. just because i question the wisdom of a system that allows this doesnt mean i treat the people who use it with distain or suspicion. far from it in many cases.

The Spanish: I think you'll find that Waynflete is trying, not very successfully, to be clever with his big words. I've got him marked down as a student with nothing better to do, cant go protesting around Brightons streets as there are no classes to miss.

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

Spanish, if you're going to get all prickly when someone debates with you then you shouldn't post on threads like this. Jeez.

So you are now promoting Censorship on this forum, which your comment clearly suggests. You have clearly suggested that if The Spanish doesn't agree with your ideology on any particular subject then he shouldn't post at all. My god, Waynflete are you for real, this board was set-up as a forum of debate for Brighton fans. In that one sentence you wrote to Spanish, you have proven yourself to be the spotty little self opinionated tosspot I thought you always were.

 

[BadFish]

So you are now promoting Censorship on this forum, which your comment clearly suggests. You have clearly suggested that if The Spanish doesn't agree with your ideology on any particular subject then he shouldn't post at all. My god, Waynflete are you for real, this board was set-up as a forum of debate for Brighton fans. In that one sentence you wrote to Spanish, you have proven yourself to be the spotty little self opinionated tosspot I thought you always were.

I think he is suggesting that if Spanish is going to get upset by posting maybe he shouldn't so it. This is a place for discussion but if that discussion is going to make you angry why get involved is more the message here. I don't see how you can 'clearly' see that as censorship.

 

[BadFish]

Waynflete: There you go doing it again, Spanish quite clearly said in the last 15-20 years and dare I suggest Asians as well however you refer to Eastern Europeans arriving over the last few years. The major difference is that many Eastern Europeans are realising the grass isn't necessarily greener here and returning back to their homelands. However the Western Africans/Asians remain, are having large families and employ immigration lawyers at our expense to bring their relatives over too.....I await your race card rant, but if you don't understand this is happening then please remove your head from the sand.

Maybe the situation that people are fleeing from is so awful that they are prepared to break the law. Maybe we should show some kindness and help people out while they are in terrible situations not of their own making.

This was on over here recently and gave a little insight to the plight of refugees. I am not sure if it will play in the UK or if you will watch it but it is interesting.

http://www.sbs.com.au/shows/goback

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

There's always people from Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Vietnam etc being flown in Oz for medical procedures at tax payers expense.

I don't ever see a problem with it because we've had a lot of direct contact with peoples of those nations over time so helping them out with more complicated and extreme medical cases isn't a big deal.

 

[bhaexpress]

Worth noting that a large number of West Africans are working in our hospitals and do provide an invaluable service.

 

[jimhigham]

Having spent more than three years in Nigeria and being a fully paid up member of the UK Border Agency, I feel I'm qualified to comment on this one.

The medical facilities in Nigeria are bad. Seriously bad. Even if a hospital has up to date equipment it is by no means a given that there will be staff sufficiently trained to use it. Expats would frequently be medivacced out to either the UK or South Africa rather than face treatment in Nigeria for even minor conditions. I know of somebody that was shipped out of the country simply to be given a cortisone injection. Death and complications during childbirth are far more commonplace than in the developed world. With this in mind, I fully understand why pregnant ladies are lining up to try and give birth in this country. It's a normal human impulse to seek to improve your chances of a successful delivery.

The flip side of this is our approach to dealing with this impulse. We frequently see ladies heavily pregnant arriving in this country, ostensibly for a holiday. However, should that person be refused and an attempt made to remove them, they will immediately claim that they are not fit to travel despite the fact that they have just done precisely that to be here. The chances are that they will be allowed to remain and deliver the child here. Then it is up to the NHS to try and recoup some of the costs associated with this. Both the Border Agency and NHS do work together to try and prevent this situation from occurring but are limited in what they can achieve.

And the answer is?

Well, I don't know. Any suggestions?

 

[Razi]

If it was Nigerian Airline ( if one exists ) then we can confidently assume that their procedures are not what is needed whilst if it was a British carrier then anyone confronting a large black woman disguising her pregnancy would be frightened to death of allegations of racism.

Just on this point - whilst I can't speak for any Nigerian Airlines, I do work for a UK carrier. There would be absolutely no issue in denying carriage to anyone regardless of their size or colour. The rules are very clear, and they apply to everyone:

Conditions of Carriage
a) Expectant mothers are accepted for carriage up to the end of the 36th week of pregnancy on their return flight. If twins are expected the limit is reduced to the 32nd week for their return flight.
b) After 28 weeks, all passengers must be in possession of a medical certificate confirming the stage of pregnancy for the homeward flight and confirming fitness to fly. This must be produced at checkin.
c) Where a medical problem has been experienced at any stage during pregnancy, a certificate of fitness to fly must be presented.

 

[bhaexpress]

Just on this point - whilst I can't speak for any Nigerian Airlines, I do work for a UK carrier. There would be absolutely no issue in denying carriage to anyone regardless of their size or colour. The rules are very clear, and they apply to everyone:

You've hit the nail on the head there. African airlines don't care who or what they carry as long as they get paid.

 

[Razi]

Just actually read the article for the first time, and it does state "After months of taxpayer-funded care - costing an estimated £200,000 - Bimbo had a complex Caesarean op 32 weeks into her pregnancy on April 28." This suggests that she flew over to the UK well before any medical cut-off period for air travel.

 

[BadFish]

And the answer is?

Well, I don't know. Any suggestions?

The simple answer is relatively simple i think. We need to close the gap between medical facilities in the developing world and the western world. In-fact close the gap between rich and poor across the planet.

The fear the answer to the next question is the complex one. How do we do that?

Buy fair Trade,
Pressure Multi-nationals into paying their way in these countries,
There was a link about tax and the developing nations on the tax thread,
Look at the causes of the civil war in these countries.

Completely off the top of my head. But surely people don't have to live in such terrible conditions that they take great risk to get to another country and/or take liberties with the countries that are trying to help.

 

[Meade's Ball]

I also blame the Nigerians for our difficult financial situations in the UK and in my book if anyone seeks medical help then they should be denied. I mean, what happened to the good old days when everyone looked after themselves and died at an earlier age? What happened to the good old-fashioned British racist who'd eye news stories from a hideously people-hating nationalist rag to reinforce their suspucion of "the enemy"? Where has the sense of community gone picturd perfectled in British comedy programmes all about moustachioed, up-themselves black people coming over to abuse systems and instil in us a complete disgust of that wop-a-top music and bright clothing? Personally, i hate the idea of helping people and everything it stands for and if another person comes to the uk and take less than a penny of my annual tax money then i will be in equal uproar.

 

[BadFish]

I also blame the Nigerians for our difficult financial situations in the UK and in my book if anyone seeks medical help then they should be denied. I mean, what happened to the good old days when everyone looked after themselves and died at an earlier age? What happened to the good old-fashioned British racist who'd eye news stories from a hideously people-hating nationalist rag to reinforce their suspucion of "the enemy"? Where has the sense of community gone picturd perfectled in British comedy programmes all about moustachioed, up-themselves black people coming over to abuse systems and instil in us a complete disgust of that wop-a-top music and bright clothing? Personally, i hate the idea of helping people and everything it stands for and if another person comes to the uk and take less than a penny of my annual tax money then i will be in equal uproar.

Quite right. You should go into politics!

 

[The Spanish]

I also blame the Nigerians for our difficult financial situations in the UK and in my book if anyone seeks medical help then they should be denied. I mean, what happened to the good old days when everyone looked after themselves and died at an earlier age? What happened to the good old-fashioned British racist who'd eye news stories from a hideously people-hating nationalist rag to reinforce their suspucion of "the enemy"? Where has the sense of community gone picturd perfectled in British comedy programmes all about moustachioed, up-themselves black people coming over to abuse systems and instil in us a complete disgust of that wop-a-top music and bright clothing? Personally, i hate the idea of helping people and everything it stands for and if another person comes to the uk and take less than a penny of my annual tax money then i will be in equal uproar.

stick to yolur funny stream of consciousness stuff mate. questioning exploitations of systems and being a cold hearted selfish bastard arent the same thing by a long chalk. if you are a skint inner city mum in an area under masssive pressure from immigration you might not have the time to take a break from your eddie izzard impressions to write something pointlessly scathing about a reasonable debate.

 

[The Spanish]

I would be very interested to see a stat on what bills British tourists run up in Spanish hospitals.

would be as equally interesting to see if the spanish are as bothered about that as the massive pressures illegal african migration are putting on their country.

 

[Meade's Ball]

stick to yolur funny stream of consciousness stuff mate. questioning exploitations of systems and being a cold hearted selfish bastard arent the same thing by a long chalk. if you are a skint inner city mum in an area under masssive pressure from immigration you might not have the time to take a break from your eddie izzard impressions to write something pointlessly scathing about a reasonable debate.

Are you a skint inner-city mum, oh wise owl of the slums?
The debate is of course important, but ideally the outcome of any such debate by those in need would be the successful challenge of right-wing jibberish and to identify the gaps in support and opportunity that need to be altered. Then you get less idiots following the red tops and basing their viewpoints on an unhealthy hatred.

 

[The Spanish]

Are you a skint inner-city mum, oh wise owl of the slums?
The debate is of course important, but ideally the outcome of any such debate by those in need would be the successful challenge of right-wing jibberish and to identify the gaps in support and opportunity that need to be altered. Then you get less idiots following the red tops and basing their viewpoints on an unhealthy hatred.

why would i need to be a skint inner city mum or even a nigerian mother to be to wish opportunities on the less fortunate. i thought that was your whole rambing point to show compassion to those in need. funny how you see anyone questioning the allocation of resources as bound up in hatred and anger whereas you can serenely see through this idiocy and are quite prepared to grant favours like some medieval king.

good luck to you mate in shattering the illusions of gibbering middle england whipped up into a frenzy by silly newspapers as that is all this is about. dumb wankers probably more concerned about their new conservatory than genuine fairness and support for people under pressure in reality eh.

 

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I would be very interested to see a stat on what bills British tourists run up in Spanish hospitals.

more than paid for by the money british tourists pump into their economy,certainly not the case with nigerians and our economy, next question.