[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League

[Biscuit]

Imagine how infuriated you would be at the boards incompetence if god forbid you were a Palace fan.

It is enough to make you want to burn your own town down.....

Experience tells me they'll blame everyone else but themselves. It's never, I repeat NEVER, their own fault.

 

[GT49er]

Strange muddle headed stuff from Sky. Why are they stressing that not being part of an ownership group is key? It absolutely isn't. Presumably the whole point of not having two clubs with the same owners in one competition is to avoid any accusation of collaboration or favouritism. If Palace and Lyon are in the same group and Palace are already out, but playing a match against Lyon, who need a result for a qualifying spot, other teams could ask whether Textor's team are going to take it easy to help Textor's other team. That's a potential risk whether they are part of a group or not.

I know that. You know that. UEFA know that.

UEFA would like it all to go away, and will act (or not) accordingly!

 

[GT49er]

Agree, but still you'd think its less problematic for UEFA to deal with Palace objections, once competitions have already started without them, and using rules that they have violated as justification...... than to open Pandorras box of precedent for all other clubs and numerous challenges because of precedent granted to the serial rule breakers and piss takers of SE25

Well, you'd hope so ...................... but this is UEFA we're talking about.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Agree, but still you'd think its less problematic to deal with Palace objections, once competitions have already started without them, and using rules that they have violated as justification...... than to open Pandorras box of precedent for all other clubs and numerous challenges because of precedent granted to the serial rule breakers and piss takers of SE25

Exactly. Kicking Palace out is looking like the path of least resistance for UEFA. This mess is one of Palace's making not UEFA, it's as simple as that. I do not see this as remotely controversial or complicated, Textor arrogantly assumed he knew the rules better than the organisation that drew them up.

I don't know much about Textor, but his tenure at Palace seems to have not been a happy one for him. Despite being absolutely loaded he seems to be constantly frustrated that he can't flex his financial muscle and that the rules are just a colossal pain in the ass for him. I can see him quitting the Premier League once this is all finally dealt with as it all seems like too much trouble.

 

[Gazwag]

Its quite simple really

L is greater than CP therefore UEL = NF
BRO is greater than CP therefore UECL = BRI

 

[GT49er]

Exactly. Kicking Palace out is looking like the path of least resistance for UEFA. This mess is one of Palace's making not UEFA, it's as simple as that. I do not see this as remotely controversial or complicated, Textor arrogantly assumed he knew the rules better than the organisation that drew them up.

I don't know much about Textor, but his tenure at Palace seems to have not been a happy one for him. Despite being absolutely loaded he seems to be constantly frustrated that he can't flex his financial muscle and that the rules are just a colossal pain in the ass for him. I can see him quitting the Premier League once this is all finally dealt with as it all seems like too much trouble.

Won't be missed.

 

[Jim in the West]

Matt Lawton does make a very good point, that selling his 43% share with 25% voting rights will make it very difficult to sell to anyone.

But the bit I continue not to understand in this saga is that multiple people are suggesting that a share sale will resolve the issue, when UEFA's rules seem VERY clear that the rules have to be adhered to by 1st March. It would seem that if Textor sells all or some of his holding in June, this will still be contrary to UEFA's rules.

Surely Palace's only option is to demonstrate that Textor doesn't have influence or control over Palace - and in particular that he is not "able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club." Presumably that is their argument.....although the fact that Textor (by all accounts) had a significant influence on the decision to appoint Glasner would seem to undermine that. I'm assuming there is a whole load or boring evidence gathering at the momrent (for example, Palace supplying the minutes for all their Board meetings, etc [let's hope someone isn't quietly editing them for UEFA's consumption!!]

 

[Biscuit]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO A EUROPEAN COURT

A EUROPEAN COURT, A EUROPEAN COURT.

 

[Triggaaar]

Its quite simple really

L is greater than CP therefore UEL = NF
BRO is greater than CP therefore UECL = BRI

Actually the 2nd point there is irrelevant, because CP haven't met the criteria to qualify for the UECL anyway.

 

[gripper stebson]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO A EUROPEAN COURT

A EUROPEAN COURT, A EUROPEAN COURT.

Have you ever seen Brighton in the Hague (have you f***)

 

[Was not Was]

Have you ever seen Brighton in the Hague (have you f***)

Putting Parish in the dock at the ICC would be a bit over the top, don't you think?

EDIT: oops I named the old Palace chairman

 

[gripper stebson]

Putting Jordan in the dock at the ICC would be a bit over the top, don't you think?

Nope!

 

[Muzzman]

I hope UEFA simplify this and just conclude they would rather deal with serious football clubs. They should have no patience when it comes to this Clown Show that's rocked up on their doorstep.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Putting Jordan in the dock at the ICC would be a bit over the top, don't you think?

Jordan? Given his hatred for Beaky, make him judge.

 

[Albion 4ever]

Its quite simple really

L is greater than CP therefore UEL = NF
BRO is greater than CP therefore UECL = BRI

I am not so sure on the second point as it is David Blitzer who owns a majority share in Brondby, but only 10% of Crystal Palace.

 

[Milano]

The Palace fans I know are starting to become very worried, that is a big change from “it won’t happen”, “it’s nonsense” of a week or so ago. It’s wonderful, this has properly taken the shine away. A guy at work was starting “sack the board” conversations on the phone with his mate. Wonderful stuff.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I am not so sure on the second point as it is David Blitzer who owns a majority share in Brondby, but only 10% of Crystal Palace.

It’s Harris and Biltzer so although they only have 20% of shares it could be argued their 2 votes give them significant influence at Palace.

If UEFA reject Palaces claim that Textor doesn’t have significant influence at Palace with 45% of shares and 1 vote then they can’t claim the other 2 don’t have significant influence with double his voting power.

That’s if there is even a mechanism to put Palace down to the Conference as the rules only seem to point to any team being banned the place(s) go back into the domestic league of the association the banned club is from.

 

[A1X]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO A EUROPEAN COURT

A EUROPEAN COURT, A EUROPEAN COURT.

"Put on trial at the European Court of Arbitration for Sport, we'll never sing that!"

 

[kevo]

Still a lot of deluded fools on Holmesdale.net saying how it's unfair, how the rules shouldn't apply to them, how it's due to UEFA corruption. God, they have some dumb fans - failing to grasp why Forest's ownership situation is different, etc.

Why can't they see their owners have dropped an almighty clanger? Other clubs took steps to ensure they wouldn't be in this position and will be quite rightly peed off if Palace are let off the hook.

 

[kevo]

It’s Harris and Biltzer so although they only have 20% of shares it could be argued their 2 votes give them significant influence at Palace.

If UEFA reject Palaces claim that Textor doesn’t have significant influence at Palace with 45% of shares and 1 vote then they can’t claim the other 2 don’t have significant influence with double his voting power.

That’s if there is even a mechanism to put Palace down to the Conference as the rules only seem to point to any team being banned the place(s) go back into the domestic league of the association the banned club is from.

That seems like a sound argument, although I can't help thinking UEFA may go for the fudge of promoting Forest to the Europa and demoting Palace to the Conference. I really hope that doesn't happen, because Palace could potentially win the damn thing.