Spurs are better than Man City and Arsenal then ?
[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League
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It seems that league position counts for nothing if Palace finish above Brighton, as happened last season, when it was the matches between the two teams that mattered more.
This year it appears the other way around.
On the basis of success equating to winning a trophy, I would argue that Palace have been more successful than Arsenal this season, and also better than Man City. If success is measured on overall league position then obviously there are eleven teams that had a better season, but for mid table at best teams like Palace, finishing mid table and winning our first big trophy is pretty good for me. I guess it depends on club size and expectations, and as I said, for Palace it has been a very successful season. It may be now that Brighton are so far ahead that a trophy is only the icing on the cake for a season in which you finished in 8th place and had excellent results against the so called big six. I still prefer our season over yours, but I would expect to be in the minority here
You don't understand the UEFA rules around club ownership and keep making things up, which you are quickly corrected on by people who know more about your club's ownership structure than you.
I've already said that league position does count and, as such, all Albion fans I know were disappointed to finish below you last year.
You weren't talking about "success", you were talking about who is the better side. You claimed you were the better side because you have a trophy, and we don't. So, as you have a trophy and Arsenal don't, you must also be a better side than them according to your own criteria.
I won't argue that you had the better season - you won a trophy and qualified for Europe, but we weren't talking about that, until now.
It's difficult to believe that you aren't just a stupid troll. Or, frankly, just plain stupid.
They had a better cup season than us but we had a better league season than them. In my book that's 1-1.
As to who is the better side I would say that that should be judged over a league season , which is longer and more trying and against stiffer opposition than a cup which may result in an inferior side progressing by beating minnows and then fluking a few games and getting a ridiculous hand up from VAR. But I am biased.
We moan about our 1-1 results with them though. Although it would have been nice to have had a couple this year....
- Oct 20, 2022
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Spurs have also had a ‘successful season’ if it’s just about winning a trophy and League position doesn’t matter. Does anyone honestly really think that? The owners of Clubs don’t (but it’s kinda sweet you do.
)Ange is probably on his way out the door as we speak. Man United had a bad season last season and Ten Hag was literally thrown a lifeline by winning the FA Cup final but was still binned off a few months later.
I think you had a good season and were very lucky in the draws in your FA Cup run tbh but it’s much easier to beat better clubs in a one off knockout (fine margins and all that) than sustain a competitive level all season.
The longevity of Managers is not sustained by the odd Cup win - they need to meet expectations in the Premier League season too because that’s where the money is longterm.
BN41Albion
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An FA Cup win and beating us to a major trophy, as well as the double over us?
Ha, they definitely have the bragging rights over us for this season I'm afraid
OK, Eze then, will have the same effect.
Some excellent special pleading going on here. It is like Brighton didn’t have players away with international duty. To be fair I am quite envious you had you best team available for 34 or 35 games (I have provided the numbers previously). Conversely we never managed to get the best eleven on the pitch. In fact very few of our players even started 30 matches. Our injuries this season were a joke. Our shocking spell in the middle of the season we had 8-11 out for about 2/3 months. It was mad. How about you remove those games and see how close you were. Oh and we had a new manager too.
How you can possibly argue the palace starting eleven is better when it came so far behind what was for many matches the Brighton second string is beyond me.
I can’t compute why people feel the need to argue with what is obvious.
1. Palace had as easy cup draw as a side could possibly want. You are obviously going to have to face some good teams. Palace played 2 from the top half in the premier league table and in one of those the game was ruined by the referee. That said palace parked the bus very well and won with 25% possession or whatever it was. That is commendable.
2. Brighton had more injuries than anyone and still finished well above palace.
So to argue the palace side is better than Brighton despite finishing lower than Brighton second string feels a leap!
Yes, I do. I would gladly have sacrificed some league places for a Cup win. Ditto when we were in Europe; I wouldn't have minded finishing where Spurs did if we'd won the Europa League. After all you can't put '8th in the league' in the trophy cabinet, and in ten years' time only the statos will remember which also-ran position we finished in, whereas I bet Palace and Spurs fans will still remember their trophy wins - especially as in Palace's case I sincerely hope it will be their only one.Spurs have also had a ‘successful season’ if it’s just about winning a trophy and League position doesn’t matter. Does anyone honestly really think that? The owners of Clubs don’t (but it’s kinda sweet you do.
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And I appreciate having read this thread that I very much seem to be in a minority, unless it IS just 'coping mechanisms' from the rest of you as one of the Palace fans suggested.
This.
Feck me, what are some of our fans on?
Erm.. 8th place or mid table/bottom half and a trophy
It’s an absolute no brainier, those who think different are kidding themselves.
It’s not like we were in CL places…..
Edit - that said if the question is, who is the better team? Obviously us, because over 38 games, which is the only meaningful measurement, we were higher.
None of this seems difficult to me….
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Bugger, I thought we were better than Palace, Wigan, Coventry, Pompey and Wimbledon. You have now shattered my dreams.
Anyway, mind the gap
Ah, so the league is only over 30 games if you start badly….
Bloody hell……
I’ve read some stupid posts on here in my time, but this one is right up there…..
I am not sure you have read the thread. Can you show where people have said they would rather have our season? My take has been people would rather have had their season but would rather our team because it is better. You can win a cup with a very lucky draw a couple of good performance and a var screw up. Finishing well ahead in the league is a sign of a better team. People have merely pointed out how laughable it is that the starting eleven of a team who played most of the season together being stronger than Brighton who never got the best side out and still there is a gap.
Apologies if I am wrong but please show where people have said they would rather come 8th and not win a cup. Otherwise you have just created a pointless strawman to argue with.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Did you deliberately misrepresent my post to illustrate a separate point you wanted to make?
I said - ‘does anyone think it is ALL about winning trophies and League positions don’t matter?‘
Completely different to the assertion you just made.
I didn’t say most of us wouldn’t trade a bottom half finish for a trophy, of course we would but I was challenging the Palace fan‘s suggestion that League positions DON’T matter.
Of course League places matter.
As your edit has just added.
If they didn’t Clubs wouldn’t last in the Premier League long nor would any managers.
FFS!Did you deliberately misrepresent my post to illustrate a separate point you wanted to make?
I said - ‘does anyone think it is ALL about winning trophies and League positions don’t matter?‘
Completely different to the assertion you just made.
I didn’t say most of us wouldn’t trade a bottom half finish for a trophy, of course we would but I was challenging the Palace fan‘s suggestion that League positions DON’T matter.
Of course League places matter.
As your edit has just added.
If they didn’t Clubs wouldn’t last in the Premier League long nor would any managers.
The point remains, I responded to @Brovion not you, (though he/she did) and was correct….
The fact you felt it necessary to respond says everything…. Have a good day….
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I think we're all broadly in agreement...
- Only the most myopic Albion fan would deny that Palace had the better season. They won a major trophy (we didn't), and they qualified for Europe (we didn't). As we've qualified for Europe before them, we know how much fun it is. When you support a "small club" travelling across Europe with your club is a dream, and one well worth living.
I'll say the same to the Palace fans on here as I did to my Palace-supporting neighbour: do whatever you can to get out to as many of the games as you can. You'll have the time of your lives with people who have been supporting your club for many years and who thought this day would never come.
- Only the most myopic Palace fan would deny that Albion have the better team (and squad), which also makes you in complete denial of the "League table doesn't lie" mantra. It wasn't even close.
- Only the most myopic Albion fan would deny that Palace had the better season. They won a major trophy (we didn't), and they qualified for Europe (we didn't). As we've qualified for Europe before them, we know how much fun it is. When you support a "small club" travelling across Europe with your club is a dream, and one well worth living.
I'll say the same to the Palace fans on here as I did to my Palace-supporting neighbour: do whatever you can to get out to as many of the games as you can. You'll have the time of your lives with people who have been supporting your club for many years and who thought this day would never come.
- Only the most myopic Palace fan would deny that Albion have the better team (and squad), which also makes you in complete denial of the "League table doesn't lie" mantra. It wasn't even close.
Bob!
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Can't we just ban this troll, they are just repeating the same old shit.
I vote @Harry Wilson's tackle for moderator status, take 'em down!
- Oct 20, 2022
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Um - @Brovian directly quoted me and your post was in agreement with his take on my post.
. Both misinterpreting the point I made, hence my response.What I said was “Spurs have also had a ‘successful season’ if it’s just about winning a trophy and League position doesn’t matter. Does anyone honestly really think that?”
I too would trade a few places for a trophy, who wouldn’t - but that’s very different from saying League places don’t matter. The Palace fans on this thread should try telling that to Ten Hag or Postecoglou!
So as @Bozza says, we are mostly all singing from the same hymn sheet here (aren’t we?)
You have a good day too.
Well this has been any many-faceted thread, and it's gone WAY off it's original topic about whether Palace will be allowed to compete in the Europa League or not.
However my post that you quoted wasn't just made 'stand alone', it was a reply to this statement: "Spurs have also had a ‘successful season’ if it’s just about winning a trophy and League position doesn’t matter. Does anyone honestly really think that?" And I said 'Yes I do think that'. My view is that winning a major trophy equates to a successful season regardless of league position. And that includes relegation. I still remember 1983 as the year we got to Wembley, not the year we got relegated from division one. (We were going to get relegated at some stage anyway, and at least we went down with some good memories of our Cup run).
EDIT: And I would rather have had Spurs season than ours.
So it's nothing about who is 'better', or who has the most potential, or the most promising players, or the best business model, or the best manager or the best chairman or the brightest future or anything else. In the 2024/25 season Palace won a major trophy. We didn't. Ergo, imo, in pure football terms they had a better season than us. (And they did the double over their rivals which we didn't do but that's an aside). And I'll state, for the third time on this thread, that in ten years' time no one is going to remember what also-ran positions we finished in. And no one, apart from a few bitter Albion fans, will remember that they enjoyed the rub of the green in winning the FA Cup. They did it. End of story.