[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League

[pb21]

... they qualified for Europe...

Has this been confirmed yet, or are they still trying to fiddle the books?

 

[peterward]

You don't understand the UEFA rules around club ownership and keep making things up, which you are quickly corrected on by people who know more about your club's ownership structure than you.

I've already said that league position does count and, as such, all Albion fans I know were disappointed to finish below you last year.

You weren't talking about "success", you were talking about who is the better side. You claimed you were the better side because you have a trophy, and we don't. So, as you have a trophy and Arsenal don't, you must also be a better side than them according to your own criteria.

I won't argue that you had the better season - you won a trophy and qualified for Europe, but we weren't talking about that, until now.

It's difficult to believe that you aren't just a stupid troll. Or, frankly, just plain stupid.

The Palace muppet thinks scraping a 1-0 home win to Stockport, and wins against such giants as Donacster and Millwall on route to the worst VAR decision/favour on a cup final (that unfairly changed the game).......... is somehow a better benchmark than 38 games against the countries best other 19 clubs.

 

[Berty23]

Well this has been any many-faceted thread, and it's gone WAY off it's original topic about whether Palace will be allowed to compete in the Europa League or not.

However my post that you quoted wasn't just made 'stand alone', it was a reply to this statement: "Spurs have also had a ‘successful season’ if it’s just about winning a trophy and League position doesn’t matter. Does anyone honestly really think that?" And I said 'Yes I do think that'. My view is that winning a major trophy equates to a successful season regardless of league position. And that includes relegation. I still remember 1983 as the year we got to Wembley, not the year we got relegated from division one. (We were going to get relegated at some stage anyway, and at least we went down with some good memories of our Cup run).

EDIT: And I would rather have had Spurs season than ours.

So it's nothing about who is 'better', or who has the most potential, or the most promising players, or the best business model, or the best manager or the best chairman or the brightest future or anything else. In the 2024/25 season Palace won a major trophy. We didn't. Ergo, imo, in pure football terms they had a better season than us. (And they did the double over their rivals which we didn't do but that's an aside). And I'll state, for the third time on this thread, that in ten years' time no one is going to remember what also-ran positions we finished in. And no one, apart from a few bitter Albion fans, will remember that they enjoyed the rub of the green in winning the FA Cup. They did it. End of story.

So where has anyone said that our season was better ie you being in the minority? Otherwise what minority are you part of?

 

[ThePaddy]

Kaoru Mitoma is the most talented footballer either side has EVER had - he is legitimately world class, better even than Ali Mac, an instrumental part of the World Cup winning Argentina squad.

The rest of your post was relatively sensible until that final sentence, which just comes across as silly trolling given we finished 8th with far, far worse injury issues than Palace.

I like Mitoma, and he's certainly very talented. I'd have a hard time believing that he's more talented than Eberechi Eze though, never mind someone like the far superior Olise who ended the season for Bayern Munich with four consecutive MoM awards & and is already being hailed as one of the best players in the Bundesliga at 23.

If he is such a clearly superior footballer - why has he never managed to beat Eze's goal contributions in any of his seasons in the Premier League? Even when Eze was playing for a defensive manager like Hodgson and Mitoma was playing in a free-flowing De Zerbi team? Why can't he even beat the output of a player like Ismaila Sarr?

 

[Bodian]

I like Mitoma, and he's certainly very talented. I'd have a hard time believing that he's more talented than Eberechi Eze though, never mind someone like the far superior Olise who ended the season for Bayern Munich with four consecutive MoM awards & and is already being hailed as one of the best players in the Bundesliga at 23.

If he is such a clearly superior footballer - why has he never managed to beat Eze's goal contributions in any of his seasons in the Premier League? Even when Eze was playing for a defensive manager like Hodgson and Mitoma was playing in a free-flowing De Zerbi team? Why can't he even beat the output of a player like Ismaila Sarr?

Not sure what stats you're looking at really - Eze and Mitoma are pretty similar. And in 24-25 Mitoma played only two more games yet scored two more goals.

Mitoma and Sarr have played exactly the same number of games - Mitoma has scored two more, and an additional assist. So he is 'beating the output' of Sarr.

 

[Sussax]

I like Mitoma, and he's certainly very talented. I'd have a hard time believing that he's more talented than Eberechi Eze though, never mind someone like the far superior Olise who ended the season for Bayern Munich with four consecutive MoM awards & and is already being hailed as one of the best players in the Bundesliga at 23.

If he is such a clearly superior footballer - why has he never managed to beat Eze's goal contributions in any of his seasons in the Premier League? Even when Eze was playing for a defensive manager like Hodgson and Mitoma was playing in a free-flowing De Zerbi team? Why can't he even beat the output of a player like Ismaila Sarr?

Mitoma has a better output per minutes played, so it doesn’t add up.

173 minutes per G/A for Mitoma
183 minutes per G/A for Eze

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I like Mitoma, and he's certainly very talented. I'd have a hard time believing that he's more talented than Eberechi Eze though, never mind someone like the far superior Olise who ended the season for Bayern Munich with four consecutive MoM awards & and is already being hailed as one of the best players in the Bundesliga at 23.

If he is such a clearly superior footballer - why has he never managed to beat Eze's goal contributions in any of his seasons in the Premier League? Even when Eze was playing for a defensive manager like Hodgson and Mitoma was playing in a free-flowing De Zerbi team? Why can't he even beat the output of a player like Ismaila Sarr?

Olise far superior?
Sorry, but

My only memory of him, is coming on then clutching his hamstring.
He may be doing well in the Bundersliga, but I would suggest that is an inferior league to the PL,

 

[Insel affe]

He may be doing well in the Bundersliga, but I would suggest that is an inferior league to the PL,

Don't tell Harry that.

 

[Skaville]

OK I stand corrected, but if Textor owns less than 50% then he is not the majority shareholder. Again, I am prepared to be corrected, but I thought the rule was that the owner had to be the majority shareholder in more than 1 club, so no trying to argue our way out of it, simply abiding by the rules

Edit- quoted the wrong post

It’s worth pointing out that you have sat above us for one game week in 3 seasons; Game week 38 of last season. Lucky once again.

 

[ThePaddy]

Not sure what stats you're looking at really - Eze and Mitoma are pretty similar. And in 24-25 Mitoma played only two more games yet scored two more goals.

Mitoma and Sarr have played exactly the same number of games - Mitoma has scored two more, and an additional assist. So he is 'beating the output' of Sarr.

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I'm not sure why you'd be including Sarr's Watford stats from 2021.

This season - the one I'd suggest is actually relevant - Ismaila Sarr has 14 goal contributions in the PL. Mitoma also has 14. Eze has 16.
Last season Mitoma had 7 (admittedly while missing many games) and Eze had 15.
In 22/23, Mitoma had 12 while Eze had 14.

Mitoma has never beaten Eze's output in a Premier League season.

Eze also scored the opening goal in our FA Cup quarter-final win, our FA Cup semi-final win and the FA Cup final win. Mitoma will have to put quite a season together to be able to compete with that!

 

[ThePaddy]

Olise far superior?
Sorry, but

My only memory of him, is coming on then clutching his hamstring.
He may be doing well in the Bundersliga, but I would suggest that is an inferior league to the PL,

I can entertain discussions about whether Mitoma is better than Eze or vice-versa.

Michael Olise is so much better than either player that it is totally pointless discussing them. He is the best player to ever kick a ball for either club, and I suspect will have a trophy cabinet containing every league title in Europe and multiple Champions Leagues if his agents continue to advise him as well as they have done so far. A lot of Bayern fans already think he is the best player in a team that includes Harry Kane.

Olise was making a mockery of the Premier League before he left - hence why Bayern triggered his release clause in the first place. After an injury stricken season he returned in the new year and managed 10 goals and 6 assists in 14 starts.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I can entertain discussions about whether Mitoma is better than Eze or vice-versa.

Michael Olise is so much better than either player that it is totally pointless discussing them. He is the best player to ever kick a ball for either club, and I suspect will have a trophy cabinet containing every league title in Europe and multiple Champions Leagues if his agents continue to advise him as well as they have done so far. A lot of Bayern fans already think he is the best player in a team that includes Harry Kane.

Alexis MacAllister waves his World Cup Winners medal and the Premier League trophy at you.

 

[ThePaddy]

Alexis MacAllister waves his World Cup Winners medal and the Premier League trophy at you.

I've seen a lot of MacAllister and he is a brilliant player. I still think Olise will eclipse him - it would not surprise me at all if Olise wins a Ballon d'Or after leaving Bayern. He is a truly ridiculous talent.

 

[Insel affe]

Lots of my willy is bigger and better than yours on here about Mitoma, Olise, Eze, etc at the end of the day.
We are both stepping stones and until they move on and win substantial awards and titles (I don't count the Bundesliga as fair or as competitive as our league) it is all very subjective and we are both looking at these players through rose tinted spectacles.

Mitoma and Eze are both guilty going missing for periods, as well as sublime genius on the field.
They will probably both move on in the summer and we will both be poorer teams for that.

"Champions of Sussex" you will never sing that !!

Suck on them eggs

 

[Jeremiah]

I've seen a lot of MacAllister and he is a brilliant player. I still think Olise will eclipse him - it would not surprise me at all if Olise wins a Ballon d'Or after leaving Bayern. He is a truly ridiculous talent.

Michael Olise is so much better than either player that it is totally pointless discussing them. He is the best player to ever kick a ball for either club,

Olise was making a mockery of the Premier League before he left - hence why Bayern triggered his release clause in the first place. After an injury stricken season he returned in the new year and managed 10 goals and 6 assists in 14 starts.

This is hilarious - do you actually believe what you are posting ?

Olise scored 14 goals in 82 games for Palace and is very much unproven. He won the league in a one horse race in Germany surrounded by better players.

Let's see him win a World Cup while at Palace like MacAllister did with us - oh hold on that can't be done as he left Palace

I know winning the FA Cup (VAR assisted) was great for you but it seems to have left some of you mentally unstable - you with Olise and another claiming Palace have a better team than us yet finishing way below us when you had little or no injuries compared to us.

 

[Brovion]

So where has anyone said that our season was better ie you being in the minority? Otherwise what minority are you part of?

Blimey I haven't got time to wade through the whole thread again. However start with post #47 (when it started to go off-piste) and work from there. Post after post after post saying how lucky Palace were and how much better we are. However, no, in the bits I re-read I haven't seen anybody expressly say "Our season was better than theirs" in such black-and-white terms, just snide, jealous sniping. Understandable perhaps but unedifying and pathetic. (Which is probably why I feel in a minority).

And yes I would swap seasons with both Palace and Spurs. Surely I can't be alone in that?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I can entertain discussions about whether Mitoma is better than Eze or vice-versa.

Michael Olise is so much better than either player that it is totally pointless discussing them. He is the best player to ever kick a ball for either club, and I suspect will have a trophy cabinet containing every league title in Europe and multiple Champions Leagues if his agents continue to advise him as well as they have done so far. A lot of Bayern fans already think he is the best player in a team that includes Harry Kane.

Olise was making a mockery of the Premier League before he left - hence why Bayern triggered his release clause in the first place. After an injury stricken season he returned in the new year and managed 10 goals and 6 assists in 14 starts.

Olise and Mitoma have very similar stats in their PL careers.

Olise played 82 scored 14 assists 22
Mitoma played 88 scored 20 assists 17.

So to say that Olise is so much better than Mitoma is ridiculous. Olise achieved it at a younger age but Mitoma was a late starter in the game as he completed University before turning pro.

There is little to choose between them other than age, and Bayern are still interested in bringing Mitoma in so they must rate him as highly as Olise if they want them both in their squad.

 

[Berty23]

Blimey I haven't got time to wade through the whole thread again. However start with post #47 (when it started to go off-piste) and work from there. Post after post after post saying how lucky Palace were and how much better we are. However, no, in the bits I re-read I haven't seen anybody expressly say "Our season was better than theirs" in such black-and-white terms, just snide, jealous sniping. Understandable perhaps but unedifying and pathetic. (Which is probably why I feel in a minority).

And yes I would swap seasons with both Palace and Spurs. Surely I can't be alone in that?

Of course we would swap. Everyone who has commented like that said they would. That is why I found it weird when it was said we were all misguided (or whatever the term was). We are the better team but they won a cup. As did spurs. That does not make them better than us. It shows they had quite a lot of stuff go their way and we didn’t. That is generally how cups work.

 

[Jovis]

The worst thing about their undeserving Cup win is the number of Palace fans who’ve suddenly remembered their NSC log-ins, whereas for most of the season you don’t see them for dust.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The worst thing about their undeserving Cup win is the number of Palace fans who’ve suddenly remembered their NSC log-ins, whereas for most of the season you don’t see them for dust.

I've still got 75 Nigels on ignore.