Heaton

[The Wizard]

I don't think you understand anything, let alone the rules of football.

Oh and you know me personally do you - keyboard warrior.

Look at the incident again it happened right in front of me in north stand and you tell me it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity (as that seems to be what everyone is obsessing about) it was 100% a red card. No doubts.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There is no such thing as a professional fowl.

Bollocks

 

[Hillian1]

Oh and you know me personally do you - keyboard warrior.

Look at the incident again it happened right in front of me in north stand and you tell me it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity (as that seems to be what everyone is obsessing about) it was 100% a red card. No doubts.

Ignore Doug, .........................everyone else does.

He'll be back posting as TITUS soon enough anyway.

 

[Acker79]

Fom the laws of the game:

Denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent an
obvious opportunity to score a goal. It is not necessary for the offence to occur
inside the penalty area.

If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned.

Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether
to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity:

• the distance between the offence and the goal
• the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• the direction of the play
• the location and number of defenders
• the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goalscoring opportunity
may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick​

• the distance between the offence and the goal Edge of the area, close enough
• the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball Most certainly would have
• the direction of the play Slightly angled awa from goal, but far enough out for it not to reduce the likelihood of scoring, imo
• the location and number of defenders One defender, the other side of the goal keeper
• the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goalscoring opportunity
may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick Cynical foul that would have been a direct free kick, or penalty had it been a few yards north

 

[Acker79]

Bollocks

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He's only semi-pro. It's a part time gig.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Fom the laws of the game:

Denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent an
obvious opportunity to score a goal. It is not necessary for the offence to occur
inside the penalty area.

If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned.

Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether
to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity:

• the distance between the offence and the goal
• the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• the direction of the play
• the location and number of defenders
• the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goalscoring opportunity
may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick​

All five factors certainly suggest to me that a goal scoring opportunity had been denied.

 

[Acker79]

All five factors certainly suggest to me that a goal scoring opportunity had been denied.

Me too, I edited and added my interpretation.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

When people quote that it has to be a clear goalscoring opportunity - that is completely incorrect.

Could you please clarify what you mean by this? Thanks

 

[Acker79]

Could you please clarify what you mean by this? Thanks

A foul with excessive force doesn't need to deny a goal scoring opportunity, but Heaton's foul wasn't excessive force. It was cynical, and for me cynical fouls like that, the taking one for the team to stop counter attacks or whatever should be red card offences, but they are not.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The first one was a straight red in my mind as it was a proffesionsl foul that denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. the second yellow seemed to be the ref making amends.

Yup.

 

[7:18]

Except it wasn't a tackle as bucca slipped the ball past him before the keeper blatantly took him out. Dyche however agrees with you although whoever wrote up the interview can't tell bucca and Leo apart

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I blame the yellow numbers!

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

A foul with excessive force doesn't need to deny a goal scoring opportunity, but Heaton's foul wasn't excessive force. It was cynical, and for me cynical fouls like that, the taking one for the team to stop counter attacks or whatever should be red card offences, but they are not.

Yes, although I'm surprised if people on this thread actually think red cards can only be issued for professional fouls... I can't see that opinion appearing in the post that The Wizard was responding to.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is no such thing as a professional foul.

Rubbish.

 

[BN9 BHA]

there is no such thing as a professional foul.

rubbish.

and some!

 

[Since1982]

Dreadful decision not to send him off. Goal scoring opportunity and surely a reckless challenge to charge that far out of his goal to body check Buckley. Ref should have taken a moment to think, maybe talk it through with his assistant. Totally sure he thought about it at HT and looked for an opportunity to put it right,

Hopefully we are getting all the idiot refs out the way early in the season.

 

[Pantani]

But still a clear goal scoring opportunity. Or are you trying to say that the only chances that count as clear goalscoring opportunities are ones where there is an open goal?

Someone has nailed it at least. In football fan parlance, as a result of watching the idiot pundits we mostly have to put up with, a goal scoring 'opportunity' has been confused with 'he was 100% definitely going to score'.

 

[grumpyoldgit]

I thought it was deffo sending off so did one of my sons, my other son who is qualified ref said it was,not, I also spoke to the referees assessor who also said it was the correct decision so I am not so sure now need to watch football league show.

 

[Acker79]

Disciplinary sanctions

The yellow card is used to communicate that a player, substitute or substituted
player has been cautioned.

The red card is used to communicate that a player, substitute or substituted
player has been sent off.

Only a player, substitute or substituted player may be shown the red or yellow
card.

The referee has the authority to take disciplinary sanctions from the moment
he enters the fi eld of play until he leaves the fi eld of play after the fi nal whistle.

A player who commits a cautionable or sending-off offence, either on or off
the fi eld of play, whether directed towards an opponent, a team-mate, the
referee, an assistant referee or any other person, is disciplined according to the
nature of the offence committed.


Cautionable offences

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the
following seven offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner
kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s permission
• deliberately leaving the fi eld of play without the referee’s permission

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the
following three offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• delaying the restart of play


Sending-off offences

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:

• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the
vicinity of the fi eld of play and the technical area.​

The phrase "professional foul" and even "professional" does not return any results when searching the pdf of the laws of the game, i.e. the phrase "professional foul" is not in the laws of the game. It is now covered by serious foul play.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf

 

[Pantani]

Wrong. It doesn't matter which position the player has. The split second decision that the referee had to make is did the goalkeeper deny a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity. I was sat in the back row of the north directly in line with the incident. From there in my opinion (for what it's worth) the ref got it spot on as Buckley went past the keeper but was heading in the direction of the corner flag. If this is the case it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity and is punished with a caution. .

Get your eyes tested then mate, he was heading very slightly away from goal. The corner flag from where Buckley knocked the ball past Heaton would have meant he was heading at a 45 degree angle to the goal, that clearly was not the case. The keeper was beaten and went in with a blatant trip with no one to cover him bar a scrambling defender, any player will score in that situation 99 times out of a 100.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

I thought it was deffo sending off so did one of my sons, my other son who is qualified ref said it was,not, I also spoke to the referees assessor who also said it was the correct decision so I am not so sure now need to watch football league show.

Did you ask either your ref son or the assessor for their rationale for why they didn't think it deserved a sending off?