Happy now, Sven bashers?

[Withdean Wanderer]

This other thread.



If we went ENGLISH (which we were pretty much forced to do), it would HAVE to have been Allardyce.

But we can thank the press for that - so much better foreign talent out there.

 

[Silent Bob]

This other thread.



If we went ENGLISH (which we were pretty much forced to do), it would HAVE to have been Allardyce.

But we can thank the press for that - so much better foreign talent out there.

Ummm, if it HAS to be English I'd prefer Coppell to either the current clown or Sam Bungardyce.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Glad we've got an ENGLISHMAN in charge then?

I think you need to be very careful in calling people who would prefer an Englishman to manage England "small-minded, racist bigots."

Fair enough. Although I would say that I myself would DEFINITELY prefer an Englishman to manage England.... if there was one good enough. Which there isn't. By a long chalk. As such, we have to appoint a foreigner for the time being.

The idea that international managers must manage only in the country of their origin is absurd to me, and rather backwards. Just look at the success of Scolari at Portugal, Hitzfield (?) with Greece and Hiddink with Australia to name but three foreign managers doing superb jobs with other countries......

 

[Withdean Wanderer]

Ummm, if it HAS to be English I'd prefer Coppell to either the current clown or Sam Bungardyce.

If we went English out of the applicants though, Allardyce is the man i think.

 

[Albion Rob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Glad we've got an ENGLISHMAN in charge then?

Fair enough. Although I would say that I myself would DEFINITELY prefer an Englishman to manage England.... if there was one good enough. Which there isn't. By a long chalk. As such, we have to appoint a foreigner for the time being.

The idea that international managers must manage only in the country of their origin is absurd to me, and rather backwards. Just look at the success of Scolari at Portugal, Hitzfield (?) with Greece and Hiddink with Australia to name but three foreign managers doing superb jobs with other countries......

It's surely not about levels of success etc but just about the concept of one country competing against another - surely football is a more preferable arena for this "my dick's bigger than your dick" sort of contest than war, for example.

I agree that it is an archaic concept but also think it's one that has some merit. As I say, if we're to have managers from anywhere on the globe, why not have players from anywhere on the globe? After all, as we have seen in Euro 2004 and World Cyp 2006, it's tactics rather than players (obvioulsy they play a massive part!) that are winning tournaments at the moment. Club football is an adequate stage for us to see the cream of world football, international football should be about how good what one country has produced actually is.

If, as a country, we are unable to prooduce a manager good enough to get 11 talented blokes to put in a coherent performance then that's tough shit on us and we should not be looking to poach a manager from another country.

To put it another way, would SGE have been Sweden manager at some point if he was not England manager? Probably. Was it fair that we had poached him and stuck him on a contract his own FA could never hope to match? No, no it wasn't.

 

[NMH]

Just because people (certainly I'll proudly stand up as one) wanted the swain, the boring irksome Swede out, didn't mean we just wanted ANY old fool managing England.

I seem to recall the job WAS publicly offered to another foreign manager who turned it down.

This sort of thread of recrimination against people who desire the back of a BAD MANAGER is well boring. We wanted the crap out, it didn't mean we wanted the same crap from another name.

 

[NMH]

Nobody wants a bad manager.

Simple to grasp, but please note two essential things; we don't want one bad manager replaced by another who is odds-on to be just as bad if not worse.
We're not empowered to pick the replacments, and we also "despair".

The only difference is, that you Danny Seagull appear to endorse the awfulness that was never going to win anything that went before. Now that is what is sad.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Glad we've got an ENGLISHMAN in charge then?

It's surely not about levels of success etc but just about the concept of one country competing against another - surely football is a more preferable arena for this "my dick's bigger than your dick" sort of contest than war, for example.

I agree that it is an archaic concept but also think it's one that has some merit. As I say, if we're to have managers from anywhere on the globe, why not have players from anywhere on the globe? After all, as we have seen in Euro 2004 and World Cyp 2006, it's tactics rather than players (obvioulsy they play a massive part!) that are winning tournaments at the moment. Club football is an adequate stage for us to see the cream of world football, international football should be about how good what one country has produced actually is.

If, as a country, we are unable to prooduce a manager good enough to get 11 talented blokes to put in a coherent performance then that's tough shit on us and we should not be looking to poach a manager from another country.

To put it another way, would SGE have been Sweden manager at some point if he was not England manager? Probably. Was it fair that we had poached him and stuck him on a contract his own FA could never hope to match? No, no it wasn't.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. As an Englishman I want to see England being as successful as possible. If that involves appointing a foreign manager, that success would be no less honourable or enjoyable in my opinion. In the same way that having a Zimbabwean cricket coach in no way tarnished or de-valued England's winning of The Ashes the summer before last......

 

[NMH]

Oh I forgot to add.... 5-3-2 with TWO defensive central midfielders and Fat Frank "out of form" Lampard as the one attacking option.

:thud:

Lampard stood out, as unflustered and capable. And fit, since he seems to start every week for Chelsea for the last few seasons!

Out of form my arse.

I agree about the formation though, as we didn't fool them in the least. By the time we ever got the ball forward, they were in defence. We refused the use the right flank at all, where we did seem to find some success and some space.

I'm convinced already, McClaren is a f***ing moron. Fact.

 

[Hannibal smith]

I said during Sven's reign and its still true. An argument for Sven is an argument is mediocrity. Sure, we will qualify for major tournaments and then go out in the quarters every single f***ing time.

McLaren realises we have to change in order to win major tournaments. He is right as well. Why though, he chooses to do so against Crotia away, our toughest game, is beyond me. Him and Venables looked like Billy Smart and Gerry Cottell on the bench at times. Surely Macedonia at home or a freindly was a time to piss about with formations. Not a hostile atmosphere against a half decent team.

O Neil and Hiddinck were the men for this job. And the FA have f***ed it up again.

 

[Albion Rob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Glad we've got an ENGLISHMAN in charge then?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. As an Englishman I want to see England being as successful as possible. If that involves appointing a foreign manager, that success would be no less honourable or enjoyable in my opinion. In the same way that having a Zimbabwean cricket coach in no way tarnished or de-valued England's winning of The Ashes the summer before last......

Agree, think we're probably just coming at this from opposing viewpoints.

Agree, I would have been going as nuts as anyone if we had won the World Cup with Sven (who I quite liked until the WC).

I suppose my concept of 'international sport' means competition between nations and the best they can produce, rather than what we have now, which is basically a bastardisation of the Premiership where money rules all.

Anyway, I don't suppose it really matters too much because we're destined not to qualify with MacLaren at the helm.

*reasonable conclusion to NSC debate shocker*

 

[Ian Bairds Fist]

 

[Billy the Fish]

It should have been Martin O'Neill.

f*** that. We could've had Scolari

 

[dwayne]

El Pres nailed it before the World Cup. We just haven't got very good players

Robinson - SHIT
Ferdinand - SHIT
Terry - overrated
Cole - ****
Lampard - f***ing **** SHIT WOEFUL
Parker?!?!
carragher - Not international quality

...and as soon as 2 or 3 of the better players get injured - Cole, Owen, King, we're RUBBISH.

Shock horror

 

[Safeway]

El Pres nailed it before the World Cup. We just haven't got very good players

Load of bollocks. Most of the England squad are star players for some of the best teams in Europe. It's the England manager's job to gel those players into a team that's challenging for international honours - something he's currently failing MISERABLEY to do.

 

[Billy the Fish]

El Pres nailed it before the World Cup. We just haven't got very good players

Robinson - SHIT
Ferdinand - SHIT
Terry - overrated
Cole - ****
Lampard - f***ing **** SHIT WOEFUL
Parker?!?!
carragher - Not international quality

...and as soon as 2 or 3 of the better players get injured - Cole, Owen, King, we're RUBBISH.

Shock horror

What a crock of shit

 

[Silent Bob]

El Pres nailed it before the World Cup. We just haven't got very good players

Robinson - SHIT
Ferdinand - SHIT
Terry - overrated
Cole - ****
Lampard - f***ing **** SHIT WOEFUL
Parker?!?!
carragher - Not international quality

...and as soon as 2 or 3 of the better players get injured - Cole, Owen, King, we're RUBBISH.

Shock horror

Not world beaters but they are still capable of MUCH more than the shit they have been serving up.

 

[Napper]

players think they are better than they are

 

[dwayne]

Load of bollocks. Most of the England squad are star players for some of the best teams in Europe. It's the England manager's job to gel those players into a team that's challenging for international honours - something he's currently failing MISERABLEY to do.

who's a star player for any of the teams you're talking about?!?

Clearly most of these players are carried at club level - especially rubbish Lampard who most Chelsea fans I know want him dropped from the Chelsea team as well as England.

If we have so many GREAT players how come 2 respected managers (add venables into the mix) can only manage about 1 good performance in 6?

 

[Beach Hut]

Have to say Lampard appears to found out now