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Tom Hark Preston Park
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Including the innocent civilians savagely slaughtered on 7th October? Or is that just bleating too?
aolstudios
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Slaughtered, tortured, raped, paraded through the streets to be spat on by crowds, kidnapped...
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At least 9,000 children but many missing
From the 7/10 massacre
695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139 and 8,000 injured
From the war in Gaza
figures harder to quantify but around 9,000 children (with 8,663 injured, 7,000 missing) from a total of 22,489 and 57,000 injured
If people try and win the higher moral ground based on numbers there’s no comparison and they should not be compared like this anyway - it’s not a competition. It’s heinous that people including foreigners died in on 7/10 and heinous that civilian casualties are continuing to mount up daily in Gaza.
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www.reuters.com
Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths
A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.
www.france24.com
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dejavuatbtn
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No, I think we all accept that the initiation of all this was unacceptable and required a response. I was referring to Israel’s decision to send in its army, on top of its random bombing, and complain when they get killed.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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If the Israeli army was 'random bombing' in such a densely populated area, then the figures would be astronomically higher than they're being quoted as. Not that any figure is a good figure
portslade seagull
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There are sadly probably many 100s or 1000s still under the rubble on the many destroyed buildings so it will be higher if that pleases youIf the Israeli army was 'random bombing' in such a densely populated area, then the figures would be astronomically higher than they're being quoted as. Not that any figure is a good figure
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Very weird thing to say. It doesn't please me in the least. Obviously
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Two wrongs do not make a right, everyone can see Israel's response is disproportionate.At least 9,000 children but many missing
From the 7/10 massacre
695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139 and 8,000 injured
From the war in Gaza
figures harder to quantify but around 9,000 children (with 8,663 injured, 7,000 missing) from a total of 22,489 and 57,000 injured
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If people try and win the higher moral ground based on numbers there’s no comparison and they should not be compared like this anyway - it’s not a competition. It’s heinous that people including foreigners died in on 7/10 and heinous that civilian casualties are continuing to mount up daily in Gaza.
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www.reuters.com
Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths
A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.
For every child killed by Hamas in that dreadful attack, Israel has taken nearly 253 children's lives for one of theirs and that does not include the missing 7000, which would be even more horrific 447 lives for one of theirs.
heart breaking, sickening and disgusting.
Shame we can't redirect more of it to Ukraine for a while.
armchairclubber
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It makes you wonder how a serious threat or a deadline regarding this might have carried some weight in trying to negotiate a ceasefire or peace agreement, though neither of our front benches are or were of that mind.
My use of the term sanctions was left open though I'm unaware of any imposed.
beorhthelm
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its certainly no precision strikes either. cant find it now, the amount of ordinance dropped in months to December was about same as in the number of years the US dropped in Iraq II.If the Israeli army was 'random bombing' in such a densely populated area, then the figures would be astronomically higher than they're being quoted as. Not that any figure is a good figure
Israel dont care about the civilian collateral damage, because they dont want the Palestinians there anymore.
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BadFish
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As we play the numbers game with a focus on innocent lives being lost it surely becomes a no brainer that a cease fire is the most humanitarian and logical short term goal.
Although earlier in the thread they couldn't bring themselves to condemn the Israeli killings, surely even the Israel fanboys would agree with this?
Although earlier in the thread they couldn't bring themselves to condemn the Israeli killings, surely even the Israel fanboys would agree with this?
BadFish
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The longer this goes on the more it looks like Israel is taking this opportunity with both hands to reach the end game of finally destroying the two party solution for good. Well let's call it what it is, genocide.
Well, the man who will have the best intelligence in the world, and the leader of Israel's greatest ally, described it as "indiscriminate bombing".
Joe Biden: "But they're starting to lose that support by indiscriminate bombing that takes place,"
Israel losing global support over Gaza bombing, Biden says
The US president issues his strongest criticism yet and refers to "indiscriminate bombing" in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It was always the ‘endgame’ of the Religious Zionists of the Netanyahu regime for nearly a decade who have a ‘Greater Israel’ political ideology. The massacre on 7/10 simply provided the Religious Zionists that prop up the Netanyahu regime with what they thought would be their moral high ground from which they could justify it to the International community - “Expulsion of Hamas ( read that as ‘Palestinians’) from the OPT as an existential imperative for Israel facing annihilation from her neighbours” - many uninformed pro-Israel supporters have bought into the rhetoric condemning anyone that questions this perspective as anti-Semitic. The West and most of the Arab world was normalising relations with Israel before this attack - a relationship that was pressing very hard for a two state solution that neither Netanyahu nor Hamas wanted. What is chilling and as I said early in the thread, is that Israel is leading Gaza into the Abyss and risks dragging the whole of the ME with it and making it a self-fulfilling prophecy - we are another step closer to that now after the assassination of the deputy political leader of Hamas in Beirut. It is a very serious situation.
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The relevance of the Hamas actions is fading everyday when compared to Israel’s current policy. Bot like the Holocaust perhaps.
That second sentence is just not necessary.
I disagree. The Holocaust is used ad infinitum to justify Israel’s policy to defence, they are now committing ethnic cleansing and genocide themselves (albeit on a far smaller scale). If one country should be acutely aware of not going down the same extreme right wing route it is Israel.