[News] Greta Thunberg and the boat

[The Clamp]

Nothing to do with mass industry in the likes of India, China US of A, Aus and China?

Don't worry, I'll keep recycling wine bottles.

What do you think fuels mass industry?

Consumer demand.

But don’t get me wrong. I agree with you.

But I see it as more of a long term change in attitudes.

When the average person’s attitude changes we may, MAY, get to a point where the general public won’t tolerate a government that endorses fossil fuels.

I mean, we won’t. Humans have very limited time left on this planet and I think we are beyond the point of no return now.

It’s an inexorable spin towards climate meltdown. The inevitably of which is only in question because climate change may be averted with the intervention of nuclear annihilation.

But you’ve got to bloody try, haven’t you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sanctuary from France? Christ, what has become of France?

United Nations 1951 Asylum seekers can choose which country they seek asylum in.
Britain takes in amongst the lowest in Europe.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think you’ll agree that many of those seeking asylum work in the Black Economy

Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs

Telegraph investigation reveals asylum seekers make up to £500 a week working as bike couriers

www.telegraph.co.uk

No, I don’t agree. I don’t trust the Telegraph.

 

[Is it PotG?]

No, I don’t agree. I don’t trust the Telegraph.

Exactly, I'd stick to facts from The Guardian if I were you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Exactly, I'd stick to facts from The Guardian if I were you.

You and facts are very loosely related. You just like to poke fun.

 

[Zeberdi]

Fair enough, Zeberdi. I'm not in the habit of constantly refreshing the page whilst composing replies on NSC, so wouldn't have seen your edit before posting.

As for your emojis...? Whilst I agree with much of what you say on this issue in your original post on this thread and elsewhere, it's not a given that we'll see eye to eye on everything. I genuinely thought that in this instance you were playing devil's advocate and arguing from an Israeli 'legal' viewpoint, hence my reference to the Free Gaza Flotilla from 2010.

Anyway - apologies for the misunderstanding and let's leave it at that.

No worries - I wasn’t getting at you - it was me that made the typo that led to the confusion!

 

[Triggaaar]

United Nations 1951 Asylum seekers can choose which country they seek asylum in.

I wasn't saying they can't, but the ones who have come from France and not in need of sanctuary, they already have that.

Britain takes in amongst the lowest in Europe.

Are you aware that that is complete nonsense? There are about 50 countries in Europe, and the UK must be about 5th (not checked) for the number of asylum seekers. How is 5th / 50 among the lowest?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I wasn't saying they can't, but the ones who have come from France and not in need of sanctuary, they already have that.




Are you aware that that is complete nonsense? There are about 50 countries in Europe, and the UK must be about 5th (not checked) for the number of asylum seekers. How is 5th / 50 among the lowest?

I tried to check. Our data are not included in any list that I have found. For example:

Asylum applications in Europe 2023| Statista

In 2024, the EU received 677,625 asylum applications, with Germany accounting for the highest number at 217,430.

www.statista.com

 

[Triggaaar]

I tried to check. Our data are not included in any list that I have found. For example:

Asylum applications in Europe 2023| Statista

In 2024, the EU received 677,625 asylum applications, with Germany accounting for the highest number at 217,430.

www.statista.com

Google?

Just type "how many people sought asylum in uk in 2023".

Looking at your list, and the google result, it puts us 4th, after Germany, France and Italy. I've no idea how accurate that is, but it's clearly not 'amongst the lowest in Europe'.

 

[Lever]

You and facts are very loosely related. You just like to poke fun.

It derives from a lack of depth and nuance, I think.....

 

[Is it PotG?]

It derives from a lack of depth and nuance, I think.....

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wasn't saying they can't, but the ones who have come from France and not in need of sanctuary, they already have that.




Are you aware that that is complete nonsense? There are about 50 countries in Europe, and the UK must be about 5th (not checked) for the number of asylum seekers. How is 5th / 50 among the lowest?

I’m not sure where you get your news from but this chart shows we are way lower than 5th.

 

[Randy McNob]

Sanctuary from France? Christ, what has become of France?

Yay, the first candidate for idiots corner

 

[Triggaaar]

Yay, the first candidate for idiots corner

You can sit there on your own a little longer McNob

 

[Triggaaar]

I’m not sure where you get your news from but this chart shows we are way lower than 5th.

We were talking about Asylum seekers and you said 'Britain takes in amongst the lowest in Europe.'

As I've said, that's miles out. We're about 5th out of 50.

You've now moved the goalposts and added 'as a % of population'. So each year as a country's population increases due to immigration, your logic would dictate that said country should then take in even more, due to their higher population. That's daft.

How about instead you link it to the size of the country? We're far more densely populated than the other countries at the top of the list, like Germany and France, and becoming more so with high levels of immigration.

 

[Randy McNob]

You can sit there on your own a little longer McNob

sorry but you still regurtitate the boring anf bovine line about not being a war in France. The people coming are not French, they are coming from Afghanistan and Sudan, places like that, it is not France's problem to sort out it's a global problem, all countries are signed up to offer asylum to refugees. We all play our part and share the burden. The UK is an island, obviously they must hve to pass through another country to arrive here

Politicians trot out this garbage because they think you're stupid.

 

[Triggaaar]

sorry but you still regurtitate the boring anf bovine line about not being a war in France.

Still? I think that was my first comment on this thread, and it's not something I discuss here much.

There are plenty of people in the world who are facing persecution and are fearful for their lives because of the backwards country they're stuck in. I don't know why you want to pretend France is one of those countries. Asylum seekers who are in France have the right to leave France and try and claim asylum elsewhere, but we don't need to pretend that they're still fearing for their lives.

The people coming are not French

No shit shirlock.

they are coming from Afghanistan and Sudan, places like that, it is not France's problem to sort out it's a global problem, all countries are signed up to offer asylum to refugees. We all play our part and share the burden. The UK is an island, obviously they must hve to pass through another country to arrive here

I didn't say otherwise, and you'll find that the UK takes a huge amount of asylum seekers. Thunder Bolt tried to pass us off as a country taking among the fewest number of asylum seekers in Europe, but as I pointed out, we're among the highest, despite the fact that it's not easy to get here, and despite the fact we're a relatively small country.

 

[armchairclubber]

It was edited before you even posted!!

You didn’t read/understand enough of my post to have realised in the context of what I was saying, that was an obvious typo? Nor realise my stand on this after months of posting on the Gaze thread?

On a slightly different topic, and I apologise in advance for my interjection though I am genuinely interested to hear your present clarification, are you still in agreement with this Labour Government allowing arms sales licenses to Israel for the purpose of "defending" itself?

 

[jcdenton08]

United Nations 1951 Asylum seekers can choose which country they seek asylum in.
Britain takes in amongst the lowest in Europe.

Most people don’t/won’t differentiate between Asylum and economic migration. Asylum seekers get the headlines because of the big expenses of asylum hotels and the slow processing times. Also the fact that the majority of asylum seekers are males aged 18-49 from Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. In fact, 59% of all claims are from men travelling solo and in this age demographic.

So it’s true we take in a comparatively low number of asylum seekers (although this is rising). While we take many fewer than Germany or France, we take many more than other neighbours such as Denmark, Sweden or Ireland. Indeed our GDP per capita is less than half of Denmark or Ireland.

The issue on hand for many people is very high net migration: 2.27 million between 2022 and 2024, with a peak in 2023 of 906,000 net migration.

In just three years, the migrant population grew 3.4% of the national population.

For comparison, France had net migration of 569,000 over the same period, which was an increase of 0.86% of the national population.

Germany had net migration of 2.125 million over the same period, an increase of 2.51% of the national population.

France has a slightly lower GDP than us, ($3.1tn compared to our $3.3tn), but is over twice of the size of the UK in land mass.

Germany has the third highest GDP in the world (some $1.3tn larger than the UK), is nearly 50% larger in size.

Yet both countries have both fewer asylum seekers and economic migrants than the UK based on GDP, land mass, and percentage of the population.

It’s really important to address this.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Most people don’t/won’t differentiate between Asylum and economic migration. Asylum seekers get the headlines because of the big expenses of asylum hotels and the slow processing times. Also the fact that the majority of asylum seekers are males aged 18-49 from Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. In fact, 59% of all claims are from men travelling solo and in this age demographic.

So it’s true we take in a comparatively low number of asylum seekers (although this is rising). While we take many fewer than Germany or France, we take many more than other neighbours such as Denmark, Sweden or Ireland. Indeed our GDP per capita is less than half of Denmark or Ireland.

The issue on hand for many people is very high net migration: 2.27 million between 2022 and 2024, with a peak in 2023 of 906,000 net migration.

In just three years, the migrant population grew 3.4% of the national population.

For comparison, France had net migration of 569,000 over the same period, which was an increase of 0.86% of the national population.

Germany had net migration of 2.125 million over the same period, an increase of 2.51% of the national population.

France has a slightly lower GDP than us, ($3.1tn compared to our $3.3tn), but is over twice of the size of the UK in land mass.

Germany has the third highest GDP in the world (some $1.3tn larger than the UK), is nearly 50% larger in size.

Yet both countries have both fewer asylum seekers and economic migrants than the UK based on GDP, land mass, and percentage of the population.

It’s really important to address this.

As you rightly say, there is a difference between asylum seekers, refugees and economic migrants, and that’s why the Home Office is processing the claims.
Now 30,000 have been deported as not having a valid claim. We have a functioning Home Office again.

https://www.unhcr.org/europe/europe-figures-glance