Grant Hall offered three year contract

[Da Man Clay]

As Hall is still under 24 and we've offered him a new deal we will be entitled to compensation if he moves to Spurs. If the two clubs cannot agree a fee and it goes to tribunial then the fact we released him at 16, and re-signed him a year or so later, may count against us and see the fee set lower than it would have been had he not been released.

I thought that was only revelvant if he'd been produced through our youth system? As we allowed him to leave following our development I thought that was it in terms of compo.

 

[albionalex]

Any Club wishing to re engage a Contract Player whose contract is due to expire on 30 June must notify him in writing by the third Saturday in May in the final year of his contract whether or not they offer him terms of re engagement specifying (where applicable) such terms.

A Contract Player who is an Under 24 Player and which is in the opinion of the Board not less favourable than the Player's current contractual terms, shall be entitled to a Compensation Fee in respect of the loss of the Player's registration, should the Player sign for another Club. In order to comply with this Regulation, the annual value of the terms offered must be at least equivalent to the most favourable year's terms in the Player's previous contract. The terms offered to Players for re engagements must be as favourable overall except that a signing on fee included in the previous contract and stated to be a once only payment need not be repeated.

The Player must notify in writing the Club holding his registration within one month of the date on which notification of the said terms of re engagement were sent, whether or not he accepts their offer of re engagement. If the Player has not replied in writing to the Club's offer of re engagement by 30 June, the offer shall automatically lapse. In the case of an Under 24 Player, the Club's compensation rights shall not be affected.

If by or following the expiry date of the Player's contract the Club holding the Player's registration and any other Club which subsequently obtains or is then negotiating to obtain such registration have not reached agreement on the amount of Compensation Fee payable either of the Clubs concerned or the Player shall have the right to request that the fee be determined by the Professional Football Compensation Committee.

Both Clubs shall provide the Professional Football Compensation Committee with all relevant information. The Professional Football Compensation Committee shall as soon as possible determine the amount of Compensation Fee and its determination shall be final and binding.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I thought that was only revelvant if he'd been produced through our youth system? As we allowed him to leave following our development I thought that was it in terms of compo.

From the football league website - The Football League | About Us | Regulations | Regulations Detail | Section 6 - Players

56.5 A Club will only be entitled to seek a Compensation Fee for the loss of a Non Contract Player's Registration who is an Under 24 Player if such Club has made the Player a written offer of terms to become a Contract Player prior to the expiration of the Registration or for other reasons satisfactory to the Board. The amount of such Compensation Fee shall be agreed between the two Clubs concerned or in default of such agreement should be determined by the Professional Football Compensation Committee on the application of either of such Clubs.

No mention of anything other than the player being under 24.

 

[Napper]

Never can tell but Hall looks the real deal from what I have seen. Not forgetting that game he played out of position at LB. He was quality.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Not forgetting that game he played out of position at LB. He was quality.

He came on against 10 men when their target man was off the pitch. That performance can be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Surely he would want to stay with us and build on a promising career, then spending most of his Spurs career rotting in the reserves. Then being thrown out on loan somewhere like Brentford for example?!

 

[SeafordBHA]

He came on against 10 men when their target man was off the pitch. That performance can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Yet he probably would've performed better at LB vs West Ham than Painter did, he certainly couldn't of played worse. If we don't sign a LB in pre season (we'd better!) I'd rather see Hall play there next season than continue with Painter

 

[BigGully]

Eh? No need to agree a fee at all unless things have drastically changed since the Bosman ruiling. He can walk out of the club a free agent at the end of his contract and sign for Spurs for nowt. I don't think we would be due any compo given we signed him from Lewes (regardless of his previous history with us).

Nope, Bosman doesnt effect those players under 24.

The Lewes saga is in any instance likely to be irrelevant, any tribunal will look to his future potential and maybe even his current status within the club.

I suspect his long standing association with the club might be cited, but the core compensation issue is likely to be argued by the club on Hall's current potential and the three year offer and then counter argued at his previous lack of first team association and so on.

 

[mona]

Exactly. Yet again I suspect we've messed up; and if Hall goes to Spurs we have only ourselves to blame. If this is how we handle one of our better players, I shudder to think how others are treated. It's odd that a Premiership club seem to value Hall more than we do?

Agreed.
After a more than useful debut, he seemed to be forgotten.

 

[bluenitsuj]

Surely he would prefer to stay with a team who have ambition.

 

[BigGully]

Agreed.
After a more than useful debut, he seemed to be forgotten.

Just maybe he is not rated as highly by Poyet, that is why I mentioned in an earlier post that it is unusual for a higher status club to identify a and show interest in a player that might not seem to be regarding too highly by their current lower status club.

Again not a comment on Hall himself, just an observation, maybe he just has a good agent.

 

[Superseagull69]

Did we not sell a very good Striker who was a regular in our first team to Spurs who then hardly played for them ??

Sounds to me he could end up as one of the has been's brought by a Premiership club & then left to wallow in the reserves for a few seasons before being sold on again....

 

[BigGully]

Did we not sell a very good Striker who was a regular in our first team to Spurs who then hardly played for them ??

Sounds to me he could end up as one of the has been's brought by a Premiership club & then left to wallow in the reserves for a few seasons before being sold on again....

He might argue that he is currently wallowing in the reserves of a Championship club ....

 

[Superseagull69]

He might argue that he is currently wallowing in the reserves of a Championship club ....

Fair Comment.

 

[APACHE]

IMO this could be a major cock-up by BHA, Hall is a better alround player than Dunk and only needs the 1st team games to show it but we seem to have left it too late in getting him to sign a decent length contract but the lad needs to really think about it if it's Spurs looking to sign him because it's well known that the centre of their defence is going to need rebuilding and I can't see them not buying in estabished players so he could find himself well down the order. Still his agent will make a few bob!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

How do you GET a player to sign if he's holding out? Do you stand over him with a shotgun? His head could be turned by Spurs making all sorts of promises and offers. Harding did the same to us when offered a new contract.

 

[BensGrandad]

I would have thought one manager letting him go to Lewes and then the current one bringing him back would strengthen rather than weaken a claim as it shows how highly we rate and value him. Also the people who let him go have moved on and we have a new management team and chairman.

 

[drew]

Is this another example of the club leaving negotiations till the last minute?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

If you were Hall and bigger/richer teams were interested, would you sign a deal in January or sit it out and see what the state of play was come end of June?

All this talk of 'Why didn't we offer him a deal before now?' is pointless.

 

[BigGully]

How do you GET a player to sign if he's holding out? Do you stand over him with a shotgun? His head could be turned by Spurs making all sorts of promises and offers. Harding did the same to us when offered a new contract.

Again this is not a comment on the club or player, but there are ways to get players signed up and it takes some expertise or maybe just access to unhindered budgets.

You need to offer them security before they have become that player you hope, there is an element of risk but trying to secure the services of a player after that potential becomes evident and his contract has run can be even more costly.

Remember there are likely to be 100's of 22 year olds at clubs on good wages that have never fulfilled that potential.

No one is likely to buy them so the clubs either pay them up or let their contract run, never recouping the investment.

You win some, you lose some, it takes some skill, some luck and a consistent strategy.