[Football] Gary Neville

[jonny.rainbow]

It took him less than a season to sack the Salford manager Phil Power for not getting results.

Karma.

 

[NooBHA]

It is probably difficult to tell whether Neville is a good, bad, or indifferent coach in terms of ability; however, most people would have to concede that he went in there with no real experience behind him. To obtain the coaching badges he has there has to be a minimum of I think it is around 52 hours training in some form or another. Neville had probably done the bare minimum

This was possibly another instance of a former player who is represented by a large Management Firm with lots of brilliant contacts within football who used those contacts to get him the job. I think he also had his own personal connections at Valencia as well, through that non league club he part owns, so it was a ''jobs for the boys'' appointment.

These appointments seldom work out so the sacking does not surprise me. He comes across as a reasonably nice bloke does Neville but he obviously had the big Ego to take the big job as his first appointment. There is a lot to be said for taking a job which is under the radar until you get some experience and establish yourself.

All that talk about him going to learn Spanish as well............................ Taxi Para Neville

 

[Pavilionaire]

Interesting bit of trivia - the French equivalent of the name 'Gary Neville' is actually Remi Garde.

 

[BigGully]

It is probably difficult to tell whether Neville is a good, bad, or indifferent coach in terms of ability; however, most people would have to concede that he went in there with no real experience behind him. To obtain the coaching badges he has there has to be a minimum of I think it is around 52 hours training in some form or another. Neville had probably done the bare minimum

This was possibly another instance of a former player who is represented by a large Management Firm with lots of brilliant contacts within football who used those contacts to get him the job. I think he also had his own personal connections at Valencia as well, through that non league club he part owns, so it was a ''jobs for the boys'' appointment.

These appointments seldom work out so the sacking does not surprise me. He comes across as a reasonably nice bloke does Neville but he obviously had the big Ego to take the big job as his first appointment. There is a lot to be said for taking a job which is under the radar until you get some experience and establish yourself.

All that talk about him going to learn Spanish as well............................ Taxi Para Neville

To be fair you could lend any of those points to any level, most fail irrespective of the status of the club they manage, more-so now as the fans and media have recalibrated their own patience thresholds to any manager that happens to mange their team.

 

[NooBHA]

To be fair you could lend any of those points at any level, most fail irrespective of the status of the club they manage, more-so now as the fans and media have recalibrated their own patience thresholds to any manager that happens to mange their team.

All true but he wouldn't be coming up against the players that Barcelona have, if he had gone to Blythe Spartans and there wouldn't have been as many cameras at Blythe Spartans matches to capture the pain on his face as all the goals were going in

 

[BigGully]

All true but he wouldn't be coming up against the players that Barcelona have, if he had gone to Blythe Spartans and there wouldn't have been as many cameras at Blythe Spartans matches to capture the pain on his face as all the goals were going in

The point about profile/cameras works both ways, everything becomes exaggerated, the ones failing are not useless and the ones succeeding arent geniuses either, there are too many intangibles when assessing managers blindly on their results, yet as we know its a results based business.

There is just too much luck involved to take the longer route to high level management, the few that have succeeded taking it are only a tiny percentage of eager young managers that really had no other options and got lucky whilst their similar skilled colleagues got squirted out earlier.

 

[vegster]

The surprise is not the sacking of Gary Neville by Valencia, but the employment of Gary Neville by Valencia.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The surprise is not the sacking of Gary Neville by Valencia, but the employment of Gary Neville by Valencia.

Valencia will be disappointed with that appointment. They've gone and Done A Hyypiä there.

 

[NooBHA]

The point about profile/cameras works both ways, everything becomes exaggerated, the ones failing are not useless and the ones succeeding arent geniuses either, there are too many intangibles when assessing managers blindly on their results, yet as we know its a results based business.

There is just too much luck involved to take the longer route to high level management, the few that have succeeded taking it are only a tiny percentage of eager young managers that really had no other options and got lucky whilst their similar skilled colleagues got squirted out earlier.

Of course luck always plays a part. Look at our own Manager's first appointment in charge somewhere

1. it was luck that Kevin Keegan doesn't do any of his own coaching so he brought CH in at Newcastle when he got the job

2. It was luck that Keegan was a bit of a ''fruit cake'' and walks out on jobs if someone so much tells him his tie isn't a nice colour

3. It was luck that the next appointment there Joe Kinnear had a heart attack whilst in the job

4. It was luck that Ashley appointed Shearer who took them down because he knew the flak for going down wouldn't have been as bad because Shearer was a legend up there.

5. It was luck that Shearer wanted too much money to stay on as Manager after they went down.

6. It was luck that CH was the cheap option at the time and was willing to stay on

All those events contrived a lot of good fortune for CH first job in full charge as a Manager but at some point to succeed, there has to be some talent or ability as a coach or Manager for there to be some success because those players were the same players who hardly tried a leg under the other Managers and even in the pre-season friendly those players were the same players who took a 6-0 hammering at Leyton Orient.

It took more than luck to turn them around. All I am saying in the Neville scenario is that he hadn't had enough experience to turn round under performing players because that comes with experience which you gain over many years.

 

[TrickyOne]

Do you think he'll want those ipads back?

 

[BigGully]

Of course luck always plays a part. Look at our own Manager's first appointment in charge somewhere

1. it was luck that Kevin Keegan doesn't do any of his own coaching so he brought CH in at Newcastle when he got the job

2. It was luck that Keegan was a bit of a ''fruit cake'' and walks out on jobs if someone so much tells him his tie isn't a nice colour

3. It was luck that the next appointment there Joe Kinnear had a heart attack whilst in the job

4. It was luck that Ashley appointed Shearer who took them down because he knew the flak for going down wouldn't have been as bad because Shearer was a legend up there.

5. It was luck that Shearer wanted too much money to stay on as Manager after they went down.

6. It was luck that CH was the cheap option at the time and was willing to stay on

All those events contrived a lot of good fortune for CH first job in full charge as a Manager but at some point to succeed, there has to be some talent or ability as a coach or Manager for there to be some success because those players were the same players who hardly tried a leg under the other Managers and even in the pre-season friendly those players were the same players who took a 6-0 hammering at Leyton Orient.

It took more than luck to turn them around. All I am saying in the Neville scenario is that he hadn't had enough experience to turn round under performing players because that comes with experience which you gain over many years.

I agree of course, but generally the fastest runners win their races, the best tennis players win their games and the best golfers get round a couple of shots below they nearest rivals.

Football management doesnt follow that the best get the success, some do it back to front, they get the success and are then deemed good, whilst some with perhaps some ability and commitment gets their centre forward sent off two matches in and he gets the sack soon after.

We just cannot know who might deliver successes, even if we are sure one manager is good at managing.