Firle bonfire - racism ?

[DTES]

Free speech anyone? I'm going to go and take a huge dump on Tony Blair's garden. If he complains then I'll call him a racist!

and relax...

Just read this post. I think him complaining isn't really the right comparison. Imaging taking a dump on his garden. Then in return, he burns an effigy of your family, and in the process writing a message slating your family's way of life for all to see. Not quite the same as "complaining" is it?

 

[DTES]

Originally posted by Pavilionaire

I know what you're saying Dave but this was Offington Lane, a 30mph road doesn't get any wider just 200 yds from the A27, not some residential back road where a kid could run out.

I had no points or penalties in 15 years of driving until March of this year, and now I'm on 6 points. I drive a 5 year old Ford Focus and go the same speed as everybody else. At this rate I will be banned by the end of the season.

And the end of the day though, the reason you have these six points boils down to the fact that you broke the law - a law you knew and understood. Yes, it was the same as everybody else, but everybody else also stands liable for the same punishment.

 

[Lammy]

Well done you seem to have read through the entire post and only picked up on the throw away comment at the end of it!

 

[Pavilionaire]

And the end of the day though, the reason you have these six points boils down to the fact that you broke the law - a law you knew and understood. Yes, it was the same as everybody else, but everybody else also stands liable for the same punishment.

I don't dispute that I've broken the law. It's just that:

a) Every other fucker is breaking the law
b) I'm a safe driver and on neither occasion was a danger to other road users
c) Twats in their BMW 5 Series, Lexii or Souped-up MPV routinely bat around the dual carriageways and motorways of Sussex at 95 plus with apparent impunity.

The whole thing is totally random and therefore extremely unfair. If you ever come across a road accident it invariably involves one or more of the following:

a) Truck / Van
b) MPV
c) Luxury vehicle.

These are the buggers that make our roads a menace.

 

[Lammy]

Sorry I thought this thread was about Firle?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Yeah, that was done and dusted, the conversation moved on.

Do you go out with your missus and say "Tonight dear we're going to talk about the war in Iraq", or is she allowed to change the subject half-way through the night?

 

[Sorrel]

Do you go out with your missus and say "Tonight dear we're going to talk about the war in Iraq", or is she allowed to change the subject half-way through the night?

My wife changes the subject half way through every sentance.

 

[Pavilionaire]

My wife changes the subject half way through every sentance.

 

[Lammy]

No but I insist that she starts a new appropriately titled thread before she does!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

God help us! The daily Mail readers are out in force here.

Just for the record the Gypsies are a recognised racial group, just ask the third reich who did their best to eliminate them with the jews. And if you think their not prpoer gypsies involved the UK also recognises irish travellers as a seperate ethnis group.

And while I'm at it if you're doing over thirty mph in a road you know to have a 30 limit then don't come on here whining. The laws of the road don't apply only to groups of drivers you don't approve of.

 

[Lammy]

I think you're in the wrong thread mate! No one here is talking about Gypos, the conversation has 'moved on'!

 

[Lammy]

Anyway I don't care what anyone says, just because you're bought a caravan does not make you a seperate race!

'Irish traveller' = An Irish person who has decided to live in a caravan!

If someone like Tom Goode (the Goode Life) decided not to work, but to become self sufficient. Does that mean he's started a new race? No of course not!

The reason they call themselves a new race is to get more protection from eviction so they can play the race card!

If I sell my home and decide to live in a caravan have I suddenly become an ethnic minority? No.

They have chosen their lifestyle, they have chosen to be a stain on the landscape, they have chosen to squat on peoples land.

If this means that no tax paying citizen likes them then they have chosen that life.

 

[Pavilionaire]

God help us! The daily Mail readers are out in force here.

Are they a separate race?

And while I'm at it if you're doing over thirty mph in a road you know to have a 30 limit then don't come on here whining. The laws of the road don't apply only to groups of drivers you don't approve of.

What does that last bit actually mean? Some sort of f***ed up double negative...

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Lammy I think you are getting confused with the middle class students who decided to drop out at the end of the eighties and geniune Irish travellers who have been following the lifestyle for generations. These people aren't just a group of pseudo anarchists who decided to live on the land. They are the same people your great grandparents would have seen, whether eromany or "irish"

 

[Lammy]

But it is still the way of life that separates them from the rest of the Irish, not their 'race'.

How many generations do you have to go through before a new way of life becomes a new race?

People who drive 4x4s are not considered a new race but what if there great-grandchildren are still driving them and my great-grandson says "Why are you driving that bus when it's never going to be driven off road you 4x4 driving twat!"

Is he being racist or just abusive?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Sorry Lammy but Irish travellers are recognised as a distinct ethnic group under UK law.
I still think you're missing the point that these are people who haven't just decided to take up driving around in caravans to avoid taxes. This is a centuries old way of life which modern society has difficulty integrating into our crowded islands.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Sorry Lammy but Irish travellers are recognised as a distinct ethnic group under UK law.

Well why don't they go and travel round fuckin' Ireland then!

Lucky heather anyone?

 

[Lammy]

"This is a centuries old way of life"

Well in that case your answer to my question is "it takes centuries" for a whim to become a new race...

bollocks!

 

[DTES]

Well why don't they go and travel round fuckin' Ireland then!

Lucky heather anyone?

Oh dear. 'It's your own fault if you get racist abuse - you should stay in your own country.' What a statement.

 

[Simster]

Sorry Lammy but Irish travellers are recognised as a distinct ethnic group under UK law.

Are you sure? I know that White Irish is a different ethnic group from White under UK law, but I thought that was more to do with oppression of the Irish on the British mainland - even in the 1960s it wasn't uncommon to see B&Bs with the sign "No blacks or Irish" scribbled on a sign in the window.

I've never seen "Irish Traveller" marked as a seperate ethnic group on a job application form.



As far as Pav's speeding problem is concerned, I do sympathise but at the end of the day, rules is rules. I do have sympathy though. I got 6 points and a £435 fine 6 months ago, for doing 70 in a 50 zone on the A3 - the 70 zone had finished only 100 yards before and I had missed the sign to slow down. A bit of a bugger but only long after the event can I see that I only have myself to blame.
Anyway, if you think that's bad, my dad got stopped going down the M3 at 11.30pm when it was totally empty, and was given an on the spot fine. The reason: 71.59 mph over 0.728 of a mile. No bullshit - he still has the ticket, and it's probably been worth getting just for the dinner party conversation it has since produced.