EUROPE keen to share Mediterranean migrants out...

[neilbard]

Beyond the political implications, I cannot help thinking that those that actually make it on to the boats are perhaps the most privileged from their communities, how else do you find passage from the traffickers.

Until Europe shows and implements a strong response and returns them back to their countries we are just incentivising others to try and to die.

Italian prefect Gianfranco Tomao told reporters "migrants can now pay traffickers between $4,000 and $8,000 for passage to Europe"

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Brilliant. The Australian system works wonders, so why don't we do the exact opposite and see where that gets us.

What's their system?

 

[daveinprague]

Relatives in Southern Italy are fed up with the EU and fed up with Asylum Seekers. My Cousin gets 10 euros a month in benefits, and yet Asylum Seekers turn up, get housed and get more in benefits than Italians do. Italians have had enough of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Italians-revolt-against-migrant-invasion.html

Northern League? Yeah whatever. How does the 'housing' work out for these migrants? Did your cousin explain it to you?

 

[alfredmizen]

I'm not sure ISIS a are that bothered about the seaworthiness of the armada they are putting to sea. That's the Italian coast guards job. One thing is sure. We can't send the poor buggers back.

We could, and should.

 

[yxee]

What's their system?

Send them back.

It completely removes the incentive to try, which then destroys the trafficker's business model. It is the only long-term solution.


Telling them that we won't reject anyone, and will in fact facilitate their distribution around Europe is sending utterly the wrong message.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The home secretary, Theresa May, has hardened Britain’s refusal to accept a mandatory European Union refugee quota system being put forward in Brussels this week in response to the Mediterranean migrant boat crisis.

The Home Office has said it will refuse to accept any refugees under
this week’s proposed EU emergency resettlement programme. But it has
now said it will also refuse to take part in any future permanent EU system to relocate asylum seekers who make it across the Mediterranean or to resettle refugees from outside Europe.

The hardening of Britain’s refusal to share any responsibility for the refugees or migrants caught up in the Mediterranean boat crisis was roundly criticised by British refugee organisations. “It is shameful that the British government seems eager to opt out of doing the right thing by some of the world’s most desperate people,” said Anna Musgrave of the Refugee Council.

Home Office said it had a proud history of offering asylum to those who needed it “but we do not believe that a mandatory system of resettlement is the answer. We will oppose any EU commission proposals to introduce a non-voluntary quota.”

Fingers crossed it succeeds. Poor sods; imagine risking life and limb and you get allocated bloody England.

PS I'm back

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What's their system?

A life devoid of culture?

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Send them back.

It completely removes the incentive to try, which then destroys the trafficker's business model. It is the only long-term solution.


Telling them that we won't reject anyone, and will in fact facilitate their distribution around Europe is sending utterly the wrong message.

Back where? If they somehow make it to Italy and are then found, how do we know what country to send them to? We can't just send everyone to Libya.. most of them aren't even Libyan. If found at sea do we pick them up and drop them off in a port in Libya/Tunisia? How would the 'authorities' of these countries feel if we just dumped a load of immigrants in their country, there's probably no way of proving they came from Libya in the first place. It's a really sticky situation and there doesn't seem to be a good solution.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Back where?

How about Scotland? Plenty of space up there and their constituency sizes would become more proportionate.

 

[cunning fergus]

Back where? If they somehow make it to Italy and are then found, how do we know what country to send them to? We can't just send everyone to Libya.. most of them aren't even Libyan. If found at sea do we pick them up and drop them off in a port in Libya/Tunisia? How would the 'authorities' of these countries feel if we just dumped a load of immigrants in their country, there's probably no way of proving they came from Libya in the first place. It's a really sticky situation and there doesn't seem to be a good solution.

10/10 for irony..................love what you did there.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

They can certainly send any decent strikers amongst the migrants to the albion.

 

[alfredmizen]

Back where? If they somehow make it to Italy and are then found, how do we know what country to send them to? We can't just send everyone to Libya.. most of them aren't even Libyan. If found at sea do we pick them up and drop them off in a port in Libya/Tunisia? How would the 'authorities' of these countries feel if we just dumped a load of immigrants in their country, there's probably no way of proving they came from Libya in the first place. It's a really sticky situation and there doesn't seem to be a good solution.

We can, and you can guarantee the problem would cease if we did.

 

[BigGully]

Back where? If they somehow make it to Italy and are then found, how do we know what country to send them to? We can't just send everyone to Libya.. most of them aren't even Libyan. If found at sea do we pick them up and drop them off in a port in Libya/Tunisia? How would the 'authorities' of these countries feel if we just dumped a load of immigrants in their country, there's probably no way of proving they came from Libya in the first place. It's a really sticky situation and there doesn't seem to be a good solution.

They are clearly not Italian and they are just dumping themselves in another country, so why could we not return them to a country that most probably is theirs and if not then they are again in the same situation than if they arrive in Italy a country with no national link to them, except there is less financial incentive to be there.

 

[willyfantastic]

Relatives in Southern Italy are fed up with the EU and fed up with Asylum Seekers. My Cousin gets 10 euros a month in benefits, and yet Asylum Seekers turn up, get housed and get more in benefits than Italians do. Italians have had enough of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Italians-revolt-against-migrant-invasion.html

i thought they lived in tent cities?

 

[yxee]

Back where? If they somehow make it to Italy and are then found, how do we know what country to send them to? We can't just send everyone to Libya.. most of them aren't even Libyan. If found at sea do we pick them up and drop them off in a port in Libya/Tunisia? How would the 'authorities' of these countries feel if we just dumped a load of immigrants in their country, there's probably no way of proving they came from Libya in the first place. It's a really sticky situation and there doesn't seem to be a good solution.

Well the Australians set up migrant checking facilities way offshore that processes them all, checks that they're not dying, etc., and will ask them where they disembarked. Then you just send them there. If you ask 300 people from the same boat the same question, you're going to figure it out.

 

[daveinprague]

Relatives in Southern Italy are fed up with the EU and fed up with Asylum Seekers. My Cousin gets 10 euros a month in benefits, and yet Asylum Seekers turn up, get housed and get more in benefits than Italians do. Italians have had enough of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Italians-revolt-against-migrant-invasion.html

Italian Benefits.
'Benefits paid are based on the number of years a contributor has paid as well as the salary of the recipient'


What does your cousin do for a living? Shepherd?.

 

[NooBHA]

We can, and you can guarantee the problem would cease if we did.

I could guarantee the problem will never cease, even if we do send them back. This is like many other problems in the modern world. There really is no full proof solution. I for one have no idea of the best way to deal with it but sending everyone back is not an option. Stopping them leaving is the only way forward

 

[BigGully]

I could guarantee the problem will never cease, even if we do send them back. This is like many other problems in the modern world. There really is no full proof solution. I for one have no idea of the best way to deal with it but sending everyone back is not an option. Stopping them leaving is the only way forward

Isnt that the point, if they knew they would be sent back then they wouldnt leave, at the moment they dont necessarily need to finish their voyage the first interception and they fast tracked to mainland Europe, greeted by an entourage of asylum/immigrant lawyers (no doubt some angry locals too) and fed, watered and housed and a message is sent back, 'fill yer boots', best $4000 I have ever spent pssssst dont tell the poor people.

 

[daveinprague]

Isnt that the point, if they knew they would be sent back then they wouldnt leave, at the moment they dont necessarily need to finish their voyage the first interception and they fast tracked to mainland Europe, greeted by an entourage of asylum/immigrant lawyers (no doubt some angry locals too) and fed, watered and housed and a message is sent back, 'fill yer boots', best $4000 I have ever spent pssssst dont tell the poor people.

Some of these people have tried several times before. Not making it doesnt really stop people with no future or in war zones.
Where are these people being 'housed' exactly?

 

[BigGully]

Some of these people have tried several times before. Not making it doesnt really stop people with no future or in war zones.
Where are these people being 'housed' exactly?

They have tried several times just because the door remains open, I absolutely accept that in some sense it is tragic.

But before you wring your hands, if there is no deterrent we are just inciting hundreds/thousands to certain death.

I am not too sure why just because those with the means, money and contacts to access the crossings then have some sort of automatic validation to then enter a European country ahead of the poor souls they have left behind, seems private asylum seeking at its very best.